gowdy: i don't want that. i want to know what was said in the 302's because the 302 itself is the summary of an interview. it is not her beta. you gave me the summary of a summary of an interview. asking for a transcript because you do not have one. i am just asking for the 30 two sweater on have to read your summary. i may read the 302 differently than you. so why not? mr. herring: we have given you the relevant ones. relevant according to who? i'm telling you i do not think you have given me all the relevant 302's. mr. herring: the remainder will come out in the process. when didy: since congress have to go through this to obtain 302's from an investigation that is not even -- since when do we have to go to for you? mr. herring: we made a principal decision of what to provide. town --dy: i am out of time. with all due respect, you don't get to decide what we think it's relevant and i say that respectively. all, i think it congress should get it all. >> we know recognize the gentlewoman from new york, miss ma

gowdy: i don't want that. i want to know what was said in the 302's because the 302 itself is the summary of an interview. it is not her beta. you gave me the summary of a summary of an interview. asking for a

gowdy: sure. rep.ssued a criminal referral here. gowdy: he has got immunity! rep. lynch: he doesn't have immunity. he doesn't have immunity. rep. gowdy: you haven't seen the immunity agreement. rep. lynch: look, if you want to read it yourself, it's from the gentleman's attorney. rep. gowdy: no, i'm going to need a more reliable source than a criminal defense attorney. i want to read the agreement itself. i want to read the agreement between the department of justice and this witness and whether or not it requires them to cooperate with other entities of government. that is commonplace. for them to say you can tell us the truth but you can tell congress makes no sense. that's all i want. rep. chaffetz: if the gentleman will suspend. the committee should also be aware that the committee did send a subpoena to mr. pagliano to produce this agreement that . that was due today at 10:00 a.m., and he did not produce that as well. he was under subpoena to not only have his presence here but so everyone on this

gowdy. mr. gowdy: most members of the committee probably know how they're going to vote. i don't think this is going to change any minds. i want to talk for a second to the folks who may be following this back home just trying to figure out what these lawyers are arguing about. mr. chairman, there are two separate issues at play. number one, is whether or not you have to come when you have been issued a summons or subpoena. there are people sitting in jury rooms right now all across this country because they received a summons, even though they're not going to be called for jury service they may be excused, they may, frankly, be disqualified, but you still have to come. there are subpoenas being issued all across this country to firefighters and e.m.s. and police officers and doctors and everyone else who may have witnessed anything from a crime to a traffic accident. they may not get called as a witness. but they have to come. so issue number one is whether or not you have to come when you are issued legal process. and the answer is yes. the witness himself or herself do

gowdy: there is a lot. if y saw her initial press conference, it all falls under the heading of false exculpatory statement. i'm out of time, mr. chairman. the director did -- you started off by giving us examples of things the bureau has done. and every one of us who worked with the f.b.i., that is the f.b.i. that i know. the one that went and saved that girl in north carolina, that is the f.b.i. that i know. what concerns me, director, is when you have five immunity agreements and no prosecution. when you are allowing witnesses who happen to be lawyers, who happen to be targets, to sit in on an interview, that is not the f.b.i. that i used to work with. so i have been really careful to not criticize you. in fact, i said it again this morning. they wanted to know did somebody corrupt him? no, i just disagree with you. but it's really important to me that the f.b.i. be respected. you got to help us understand because it looks to me like some things were done differently that i don't recall being done back w

gowdy? mr. gowdy votes yes. mr. massey? mr. massey votes yes. mr. meadows? mr. meadows votes yes. mr. buck? mr. walker? mr. blum? mr. blum votes yes. mr. hise? he votes yes. mr. russell? mr. russell votes yes. mr. carter? mr. grofman. mr. heard? mr. heard votes yes. mr. palmer? mr. palmer votes yes. mr. cummings? mr. cummings votes yes. ms. maloney? ms. norton. mr. clay? mr. clay votes yes. mr. lynch? mr. lynch votes yes. mr. cooper? mr. connolly? mr. connolly votes yes. mr. cartwright? mr. cartwright votes yes. ms. duck worth? ms. kelly? ms. lawrence? mr. boyle? mr. welch? >> clerk will report the tally. >> on this vote there are 25 yeas and 0 nays. >> the motion is adopted. it is the intention of the chair to reconvene here at 7:30. then we'll close out the remaining of the unclassified questions. we will then at the appropriate time depart for the capitol visitors center as it's been prepared for a closed hearing of the committee. only members of the committee, designated committee staff, the witnesses, and the reporter may be present. we stand in recess until 7:30. >> as you j

gowdy? mr. gowdy votes yes. mr. fairfield? >> yes. >> mr. thomas moshe. mr. massey? mr. massey votes yes. mr. meadows? mr. meadows votes yes. mr. buck? mr. walker? mr. blum? mr. blum votes yes. mr. hise? he votes yes. mr. russell? mr. russell both yes. mr. carter? mr. grothman? mr. heard? mr. heard votes yes. as to palmer? mr. palmer burgess. this maloney? mr. clay? mr. clay vote just. mr. lynch? mr. lynch vote just. mr. cooper? mr. connolly? mr. connolly ventures. mr. carly? mr. connelly vote just. ms. kelly? miss lawrence? mr. lou? watson coleman? miss watson coleman vote just. ?r. desaulnier mr. boyle? mr. welch? >> the court will report the tally. clerk: on this vote there are 25 yeas and 0 nays. >> the motion is adopted. it is the intention of the chair to reconvene here at 7:30. then we'll close out the remaining of the unclassified questions. we will then at the appropriate time depart for the capitol visitors center as it's been prepared for a closed hearing of the committee. only members of the committee, designated committee staff, the witnesses, and the report

this was masterful today by trey gowdy. lay out the credits -- >> couple weeks ago. >> for jim comey, i want to remind people that he's under oath when he testifies in congress. >> why isn't she under oath? >> she's not under oath when she's at a forum or when he gives a press conference. you're going to see that in an ad, what you saw tonight, in an ad this fall, i promise. >> i want eric's response to this, because she gave multiple answers as it relates to the e-mail server scandal. tonight we have a new explanation. let's roll tape. >> laws and regulations, in effect, when i was secretary of state allowed me to use my e-mail for work. that is undisputed. >> it clearly wasn't the best choice, and i take responsibility for that decision. >> i thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails instead of two. >> iphone or android? >> iphone. okay, in full disclosure -- >> blackberry. >> and a blackberry. >> i have an ipad, a mini ipad, mini, and a blackberry. >> i believe i have met

gowdy? mr. gowdy budget is. as jim? mr. massey but just. mr. meadows? mr. is votes yes. mr. buck? mr. walker? mr. blum? mr. blum vote just. mr. hice? mr. hice vote yes mr. russell? mr. russell vote just mr. carter? mr. gossman question mark mr. russman votes yes. mr. heard? easter heard votes yes. mr. palmer question mark mr. palmer bunches. mr. cummings? mr. cummings but just. mr. malone -- miss maloney. clay? mr. clay vote just. mr. lynch? mr. conley? mr. commonly vote just. mr. conley? mr. conley votes yes. mr. boyle. esther welch. -- mr. welch. >> let the court record a tally. >> on this vote there are 25 yea nay's.zero will now close the court, at the appropriate time we will depart for the capital visitors center as it has been prepared for a closed hearing of the committee. only members of the committee. the witnesses and counsel me be present. the clerk has been directed only to allow these persons to enter at that appropriate time. at recess until 7:30. announcer: the house oversight committee is holding hearings this week related to the of the eye investigation into hill

chaffetz runs the house oversight committee gowdy the benghazi committee. congressman gowdy's committee put clinton on notice while she was still security of state -- >> you better not destroy anything between now and the time we get it, and she did. >> correct. now we found out it was destroyed. here's the very, very troubling news. we learned this on friday. we learned this from the fbi. the fbi knew that servers were wiped clean, that blackberries were smashed and destroyed, and that a laptop was lost in the u.s. mail. the fbi ought to have pursued mrs. clinton and the people around her for obstruction of justice, and it did not do so. that is exceptionally distressing. the case against her for failure to secure state secrets is overwhelming. now the case against somebody -- we don't know who -- for obstruction of justice is overwhelming, and, megyn, the fbi has done nothing. someone, somewhere -- it must be the white house -- has restrained the fbi from doing its job. >> you look at the evidence, right, before this platte river networks. they were the o

we just say trey gowdy, who had her in front of him for 11 hours and did a horrible job if he's trying to get anything out of her that's indictable. he didn't -- he couldn't come up with anything, and so now he's trying to save grace. i mean she stood before an 11-hour witch hunt because they probably think she's a witch, and we keep going over this old ground over and over and over again. >> but since she testified, alan, there have been new revelations. they come all the time. >> what new revelation? >> 17,000 e-mails that we didn't know about. >> it's not new to the fbi. the fbi knew everything that came out today. >> trey gowdy wouldn't have known that when he was questioning her. >> the fbi having known all this, decided there was no reason to go forward. this is everything that james comey, a republican, knew already, and now all of a sudden conservatives are acting as if suddenly all this new information has come out, and that's it. it's much ado about nothing. >> it would be new to trey gowdy and the other people that -- [ overlapping voices ] >> they had 11 hours to question h

gowdy did with mr. pagliano a year ago. there is no legitimate reason to force mr.liano or the other witnesses who were subpoenaed for this hearing to assert the fifth in an open session. there is only an illegitimate reason, to get a photo-op that republicans think could harm secretary clinton's presidential campaign. finally, some may argue that mr. pagliano or mr. combatta should testify before us because they received limited use immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to let their clients testify before a congressional committee whose chairman just sent another referral for criminal prosecution. no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they are just not going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks, undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process, and the constitutional rights that are supposed to protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and i thank you. >> hold the record open for five legislative

>> trey gowdy is famous for understatements, so it doesn't surprise me. republican chairman of a house committee criticizes the integrity of the fbi and then goes on to quote fbi director comey when it's for his purposes. so i respect whatever the fbi did. i don't know whether what he said is true or not. i know that mr. gowdy spent a lot of taxpayer money and came up with 11 hours -- >> oh, stop, lanny. i mean, seriously. >> stop what? what did i say that was untrue? >> they're famous with the cover-ups. let's be real here. the fact is that the doj right now is coming across as being a tainted organization. they granted immunity to this computer expert who now the house lawmakers don't have access to interviewing this individual. and this is what's fascinating. i mean, you're a lawyer. the lawyers are basically calling over to the computer experts saying delete, delete, delete the e-mails. what does hillary clinton have to hide? does she really have to hide her yoga? [laughter] does she really have to hide her grandmother little e-mails? seriously. you k

gowdy did with mr. pagliano a year ago. there's no legitimate reason to force mr. pagliano or the other witnesses who were subpoenaed for this hearing to assert the fifth in open session. there's only an illegitimate reason to get a photo op that republicans think could harm hillary clinton's presidential campaign. second they, they think mr. pagliano or mr. combetta should testify before us because they received limited use of immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to are going to let their clients testify before a congressional committee whose chairman just sent another referral for criminal prosecution, no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they just aren't going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process and the constitutional rights that are supposed to protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and thank you. >> i'll hold the record open for five legi

gowdy says: "it looks like they gave immunity to the very person you would most want to prosecute. the person who destroyed official after there was a subpoena and after there was a preservation order." long-time clinton ally, lanny davis, coming to the defense of the former secretary of state, arguing the fbi has already investigated the case, clearing clinton. davis says: "it is ironic that a republican chairman of a house committee criticizes the integrity of the fbi, then goes on to quote fbi director comey when it suits his purposes." waldman says (oncam tag): "hillary clinton remains focused on national security issues today ... meeting with bi- partisan military leaders in new york ...as the number of former generals and admirals backing her has grown to 110. in washington, joel waldman, fox news." hillary clinton will be back in las vegas on wednesday for a campaign event that will focus on her jobs plan. details on a time and location have not been released. libertarian presidential nominee - gary johnson is still feeling the heat for asking "what's aleppo?" - when asked a

>> as trey gowdy said, god can't find them after bleachbit. >> and she knows that, right. her reliance, though, on the header situation, it's so desperate, and it's factually and legally unacceptable. it's insufficient, and she knows this because you know what? hillary clinton is also a lawyer, and she knows that that doesn't cut the mustard. >> what do you do when somebody lies with regularity like this, lied about benghazi? >> wh what do you do when 40% of the country, you can have her on video popping somebody in the head with a gun at point blank range and they'll still vote for her. >> that is the sad part of this. hillary clinton has lied so often and so much that the american public is immune to it. i mean they don't think it matters anymore. but what they don't seem to understand is that we cannot have a leader who lies to us continuously for her own benefit, for money and for power. >> i think people know she's a liar. people say across the political -- many people say they're choosing between someone they don't like and someone they don't trust. i'm not going to

bleachbit is designed to make sure, as trey gowdy said, god can't find those e-mails.n't that obstruction? doesn't that get to the heart of intent? >> as a trained lawyer, i've learned not to make judgments about cases i've not been in. but, sean, it looks pretty darn close to me -- >> criminal. >> i say this as a clinton supporter. all i can say is mr. comey, i think, has a lot more questions to answer for his behavior. i agree with mark halperin. >> clinton aides, 327 times, larry elder, they couldn't recall the details. >> right. >> and by the way, the hannity conspiracy about her health, it appears i was way ahead of the curve considering she is citing her concussion for not being able to recall. i'd like to know what else she doesn't recall. does she know what happened on 9/11? does she recall the sunday after 9/11? she was profiling muslim americans, you know, just a few little details she might have forgotten. >> her top surrogate of course is governor tim kaine, her running mate, and he did not hold up very well under persistent but fair questioning by martha r

gowdy did with mr. pagliano a year ago. there's no legitimate reason to force mr. pagliano or the other witnesses who were subpoenaed for this hearing to assert the fifth in open session. there's only an ill legitimate reason to get a public hearing that republicans think could harm hillary clinton's presidential campaign. secondly, they should testify before us because they received limited use of immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to are going to let their clients testify before congressional committee whose chairman just set another referral for criminal prosecution, no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they just aren't going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process and constitutional rights that are supposed to protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and thank you. >> all the record open for five legislative days for any members who would like

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, he sent a preservation letter the next day on march 4th, chairman gowdy puts out a subpoena.hen on march 10th of 2015, hillary clinton goes out in front of the press and says that she has preserved these things. but then you go to march 25th, which is days later, after years of not producing these emails to congress, on march 25th there is a conference call between plat river network who is housing these emails. >> these are the provider of the server, right? >> yes. where supposedly many of these emails, which are federal records. they are not hillary clinton's emails they are federal records are now housed. and there is a conference call between the management and the engineer at platte river networks and the david kendall, her lead attorney and cheryl mills her former chief of staff and counsel. less than a week later there is a work order to destroy the documents and then suddenly the documents are destroyed. now we know from the fbi there were federal records in there. >> right. you know. that will do we know who asked that this be done? >> this is why our committee cont

kevin mccarthy with us today, south carolina congressman, the house judiciary committee member trey gowdy stopping by, hillary clinton and joe biden slamming trump over his taxes yesterday. watch. >> when i confronted him with the reasons he won't release his tax returns and i got to the point i said maybe he paid 0, he said that makes him smart. >> he acknowledged he didn't pay taxes because he said because he is smart. what in the hell is he talking about. maria: joining me is art laffer, good to see you. thanks for joining us. is this legitimate from the clinton campaign that donald trump does not pay taxes? >> of course not. the point is very simply can you imagine how large his tax returns are, how many schedules he had, filed in different states, different partnership deals, i would bet those tax returns fill and auditorium room in all the different countries, he hasn't even seen his own tax returns i would guess, i haven't seen mine. you have professional tax return people do it and what i think donald trump should do is just have the people who do the tax returns for him say these

congressman gowdy is right.osecution and their testimony is so vital that we have to agree not to go after them for their involvement and that did hadn't happen here. >> cheryl mills representing hillary clinton and getting immunity. >> i've never seen that in my career where a lawyer is a witness getting immunity, a partial agreement not to prosecute and stays on the case because you have divided loyalty between protecting your client, hillary clinton, and protecting yourself. >> you know what he says yesterday, he said yeah, cheryl mills did have some classified information on a laptop. >> guess what's that called? a felony. >> because she's an attorney, she doesn't have to disclose it. was it trey gowdy that said -- >> he said if they had subpoenaed it, there would have been litigation over it. big deal. that's what the courts are there for. >> a professor of law at george washington university law school and known to be more of a liberal said this. >> i think the real problem with all of this is it shakes cr

for dinner. >> he said trey gowdy is his prayer -- one person's sharpen another's irons. love that. >> i did not know that. >>> good trip down to d.c. >> awesome, brian. thanks for sharing that. >>> the new york bomber is still unconscious and unable to talk. moments ago, his family was yanked off of a plane. what do they know? details, next. >> you want to hear that. >>> plus, president george w. bush showing his undying commitment to our military. >> these are remarkable individuals who have been severely injured who refuse to quit. in this case, they've used exercise to help them recover physically and mentally. >> dr. marc siegel takes us on an exclusive ride-along with the 43rd president of the united states. peddling with w, coming up. [ "on the road again," by willie nelson ] ♪ on the road again [ rear alert sounds ] [ music stops ] ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] ♪ on the road again ♪ like a band of gypsies we go down the highway ♪ [ beetle horn honks ] no matter which passat you choose, you get

gowdy. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. reynolds, i want to say, you have managed to do something i have not seen done in the five years i have been here. a one of the more level headed, reasonable minded, one of the more decent human beings you will meet in public service, you have managed to even get him upset. getting mr. cummings and i upset is not as much of a challenge. getting peter welch upset is. and i think what upsets me is when you have a fact pattern of someone spying on another person when they are taking a shower, you don't need a policy change. and you don't need a new memo. you need handcuffs and a trip to the sex offender registry. that's what you need. so ms. martin, you said a couple things in your statement that resonated with me. you said it is a deep conflicted and risky decision for me to come forward and speak up today. and you said many women -- feel shame and fear of coming forward to report misconduct and cannot bring themselves to be the ones who have the difficult and painful task of speaking u

gowdy, five minutes. >> thank you. i suspect most members know how they are going to vote, probably knew earlier this morning how they are going to vote. i don't think this is going to change minds. i do want to talk for a second to the folk who is may be following this back home, trying to figure out what the lawyers are arguing about. there are two issues at play. one is whether or not you have to come when you have been issued a summons or subpoena. there are people sitting in jury rooms right now all across this country because they received a summons. they are not going to be called for jury service, they may be excused, they may be disqualified, but you still have to come. there are subpoenas being issued all across this country to firefighters and ems and police officers and doctors and everyone else who may have witnessed anything from a crime to a traffic accident. they may not get called as a witness, but they have to come. so, issue number one is whether or not you have to come when you are issued legal proc

gowdy. rep. gowdy: mr. reynolds, you have managed to see something i have not seen, one of the more decent human beings that you will meet in public service, you have managed to even get him upset. getting mr. cummings and i upset is not much of a challenge. getting peter welch upset is. and i think what upsets him is that when you have a fact pattern of someone's spying on another person while they are taking a shower, you do not need a policy change. you don't need a new memo, you need handcuffs, and a trip to the sex offender registry. that is what you need. so, ms. martin, you said a couple of things that resonated with me in your statement. you said it is a deep, conflicted, risky decision for me to come forward and speak up today. and you said many women feel shame and fear of coming forward to report misconduct, and cannot bring themselves to be the ones who have a difficult and painful task of speaking up. here is what i want to help you do. i want the fear, difficulty, pain to belong to the perpetr

gowdy for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want you to do something that those of us who serve in government probably ought to do with a little more regularity, which is to put ourselves in the shoes of the people we purport to work for. i want you to imagine waking up, and you learn that agents of an agency that you already fear, one of the most feared agencies in all of government with a lot of control and power either real or perceived over your life, some agents of that agency are targeting people based on their political ideology. and those are folks in positions of leadership. i don't know if you read lois lerner's e-mails or not, but there is a palpable animus, a hostility towards conservatives. it comes through in her work e-mails. these are work e-mails. this is not her musing about an op-ed in "the washington post." these are work e-mails. demonstrating a tremendous enmity towards conservatives. and some of those groups wanted to do nothing more than just educate their fellow citizens about the constitution. and so

. >> congressman gowdy point out that cheryl mills told the f.b.i. she learned about mrs. clinton's private server in the newspaper. yet the fine has produced emails upon emails from her orchestrating as you pointed out the creation of the secret system. >> the president saying he heard about it in the news and he was using a pseudonym discussing classified material. >> ask martha stewart. if you lie in an official investigation from the f.b.i. you can be prosecuted as if you had been under oath. kennedy: lawmakers on capitol hill voted to allow 9/11 families to sue foreign governments. >> it's significant politically and more significant legally. a basic principle of our legal system is when there is a wrong, there is a remedy. of course, there was a wrong. there is tremendous amounts of evidence to lead to us believe the saudi government or people in the saudi government caused that wrong. to deny the survivors of the 9/11 victims the right to sue is against the constitution and against moral principles. now, why does the government shield the saudis? why do we not under

he did it in person in front of on thechairman gowdy benghazi select committee. this critical fact is not mentioned anywhere in this contempt resolution. you can search all you want, you will not find it. why is that fact so crucial? it demonstrates there is no legitimate legislative purpose and forcing mr. buckley on a -- liono to assert his fifth minute rights a second time. there's no legitimate purpose to enforce them to do it again in public. to do so could open the floodgates for every republican on capitol hill. committee members may not know this, but unless friday, u.s. marshals, yes, u.s. marshals into his workplace to personally serve a second subpoena for his appearance before the committee. the committee could have sent a staffer in a cousin tie but they sent federal marshals with guns. the served no purpose but to harass and intimidate mr. pag liono. the chairman awarded this action in secret without even notify the democratic committee members of his plan. an emergency going on here. it is secret. no consultation. secret. no debate, secret. secret,

congressman trey gowdy responded by saying it wasn't just the fbi he knew. back and forth all day long. trish: plenty of people at fbi that are very upset about this for sure, they think that they didn't give them a fair shake in this. blake, thank you so much. i want to continue this conversation with michael. comey works for lynch and she works for the president. the president would have to have some self-preservation instinct where he doesn't want his own secretary of state getting blown out of the water for all of this. this is a reflection ultimately on the administration. when you got the administration effectively investigating itself, i don't know how you possibly get a fair outcome? >> two points. number one is that the fbi director comey has a 10-year appointment, and is supposed to be independent, but he was placed in an impossible position by attorney general loretta lynch who revealed herself to be a political hack when she met with bill clinton on the tarmac in phoenix, arizona june 27th, and later said of course, well, i can't participate in t

literally the day before trey gowdy's committee reached a decision or had gone the permission to demand email s from the the state department. so it was one day after gowdy's commit had this sort of breakthrough that this person who is responsible for hillary clinton's email makes this odd request in this public space anonymously he thinks how to get rid of the email adress. it raises questions. but this is someone who has been given immunity and has chosen to plead the fifth when asked questions about this. how could the federal government if it were interested in doing such a thing go after him? martha: steve, thank you very much. bill: should the feds hold the accused new york city bomber as an enemy come babtant? senator lyndsey graham says it's the best way to learn if he has deeper ties. martha: irs commissioner john koskinen back on the hot seat to testify at his impeachment hearing. bill: five days away from the first debate. what is the strategy for both? we'll debate that fair and balanced. >> what is he doing specifically? >> he's doing many things. he prepares all of the tim

trey gowdy talked about the triggerman. these are private low-level folks who took direction from somebody. i don't think they decided one day, let's go ahead and do this. but they di -- they didn't speak with cheryl mills or david kendall. bill: there was a preservation order that went out from congress and it was after that order was released that all the emails were deleted. >> you can't destroy federal record period. but suddenly there is another preservation order, there is a subpoena, there is a statement by hillary clinton on march 10 saying she had preserved everything, then suddenly you have this conference call between clinton's attorneys and platt river networks, and suddenly this stuff is destroyed. you can't destroy stuff that's under subpoena. you can't do that. bill: they can take the fifth even if they have immunity. >> they have immunity, so i would expect them to tell us everything. but we'll see. bill: ally gentleman cummings said this is the first time since my 20 years in congress watch the oversight po

well, david kendall writes a letter to tray gowdy and says let me save you some time. forget it.and if you're thinking about backups, you can forget that, too, it's all gone. so, they were confident by the end of march 2015 they had finally deleted everything. stuart: what a story. just what a story. you know, somebody should write a novel about this, using the fact base from the e-mails. ashley: they'd never believe it. stuart: pure fiction. [laughter] liz: wait for the movie. stuart: brian is not a fiction writer, he's a great writer. welcome to the problem, byron. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: and paypal co-founder, peter thiel. he's got an op-ed, american government isn't working the way it used to. ashley: if you go back in time, he says, with regard to making the atomic bomb, took a huge effort, a lot of people, a lot of time and done in four years and yet, these days, no one takes accountability, nothing gets done. there's dysfunction at every level of government. the escalator not working at the train station to a website for obamacare that just can't seem to get it on-li

south contractual congressman trey gowdy was in the hearing.welcome back here to america's newsroom. we were talking during the break. you said you understand the decision he made though you have dirls agree with it. what part of this decision doyo. >> i don't agree with any of it. i understand it. that's the curse of being a lawyer, you are able to understand the other side's argument. i just specifically disagree with it. he thinks there is a intent element and i disagree with it. bill: he said there are classified emails on cheryl mills' computer but he wouldn't say whether or not that was a crime necessary looked at the case more in-depth. how do you look at the case when you give someone immunity? >> the immunity agreements are troubling. there are five of them. first they said they gave immunity for production of the laptops. laptops don't go to prison, people do. cheryl mills did have classified information on her computer. no one hop extent classified information was prosecuted. no one hole testified classified information was prosecute

they include republican congressman jason chaffetz, trey gowdy as well as jim jordan. democrats on this committee consistently said this is basically a dead issue. the fbi investigation is closed. there was no basis, bill, for any criminal charges in this case. bill: catherine, thank you. that is a preview now. the hearing about to get underway. we'll be watching. thank you, catherine. few moments ago talking to the chairman of that committee, bob goodlatte, what he is planning to ask the fbi director and how he plans to drill down. that is coming up in a few minutes. that hear something on standby. as we say, hang on. melissa: meanwhile donald trump is set to speak live in chicago at the top of the hour. both candidates not surprisingly claiming victory in monday night's debate. hillary says trump showed he was unprepared. while trump says he had his eyes on the future. >> i watched her and she was stuck in the past. for 90 minutes on issue after issue, hillary clinton defended the terrible status quo while i laid out our plan, all of us together to bring jobs, securi

the next day trey gowdy's select committee on benghazi asks for preservation order.ks later, those emails are deleted. what is most problematic for you? >> well, if anybody, if a regular person had done something like that and destroyed that material after getting that, those orders, they would not have not been indicted. there would be no question about that. but you know, the clintons, they have been with us for 25 years. for 25 years they have been talking about conspiracy theories. when did we first hear about the vast right-wing conspiracy? gee, i wonder why there are always all these conspiracy theories around them? because they do things like this, they create these situations that raise questions about conspiracies. meghan: can i tell you my favorite. one of her employees destroyed cell phones with a hammer. what is a mafia thing like this? destroying my cell phone with a hammer there. is really, really -- this woman wants to be our president. that is crazy! kennedy: speaks to lack of sophistication. she is directing people to destroy her blackberries with ha

we will talk one on one with congress trey gowdy.est test. >> test test. >> test test >> after two years and $7 million spent by the benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it had found nothing. >> well, she is just demonstrably wrong. us and never bothered to look at why not a wheel was the notion the arb somehow unlocked all of the mystery of benghazi is bluster, which she picked the members of. i get that's their talking point. i would have rather gone first than sixth in terms of investigating it, but it's without contradiction that our committee learned new information that the family members are grateful for. i get it doesn't fit her political narrative but there's no question that there was new information, including chris p investigation happens, maybe there are new nuggets, but what is the end result here? what happens at the end? >> people don't like it when folks aren't held accountable. folks in my line of work need to know what their limits are. that is my old job. i can shine a hot white light a

then i understand also as a former prosecutor why trey gowdy is upset. when you hear that lit any of facts and information and then a preposerous conclusion that doesn't make sense. then you say why were these people granted immunity? why are they all granted immunity. >> they get a chance to sit in, cheryl mills acting as a lawyer -- >> complete conflict of interest, totally inappropriate. no way in good conscience, even like a good man like james comey could defend that. why was that woman granted all of this in addition to the people you see on the screen. >> you smell a rat, greg? >> she wasn't running for president -- anyway. it's interesting. i learned that they were trying to buy blackberries from e-bay, her assistant was trying to buy new blackberries from e-bay. like buying why are wear on the treat. people will winter this as a political witch-hunt but it really is about national security. if a president can't handle classified info in this era of technology. lecting hillary is like dropping will ma flint stone into the jetsons. she's the wrong

gowdy. mr. reynolds, you have managed to see something i have not seen, one of the more decent human beings that you will meet in public service, you have managed to even get him upset. getting mr. cummings and i upset is not much of a challenge. upset is.ter welch and i think what upsets him is that when you have a fact pattern of someone's buying on another person while they are taking a shower, you do not need a policy change. you don't need a new memo, you need a handcuffs, in a trip to the sex offender registry. that is what you need. martin, you said a couple of things that resonated with me your statement. you said it is a deep, conflicted, risky decision for me to come forward and speak up today. feelou said many women shame and fear of coming forward to report misconduct, and cannot bring themselves to be the ones who have a difficult and painful task of speaking up. here is what i want to help you do. i want the fear, difficulty, pain to belong to the perpetrator. not the victim. as mu

meanwhile, trey gowdy, remember him with the hair, he says a worker from platte river networks who handlederver deleted hillary's e-mails after talking to clinton aides. clinton claims the worker deleted all the e-mails on his own. he went rogue. tl throwing yet another lowly peon under her campaign bus. there's a lot of people under there. how do you feel about topic? huge scandal. bigger than watergate. >> actually, i just watched "all the president's men" flying back from japan, where i wrestled and won, and that actually was some good stuff. i mean, there was some stuff going on, monies changing, guys losing jobs, it was cool, it was hot. like wow, it was really interesting. then there's the e-mails. here's the thing. what colin powell laid out for her was pretty -- listen, you can do this for personal stuff, just don't do it very much but if you ever cross it over you could be in trouble with the law. you can't get any more do not send work e-mail through your personal server or you will get in trouble. >> it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. let's say colin powell did tell her to do

i believe men like trey gowdy and colonel allen west, more and more people that are leaders will riseo the top, because we can't -- listen if don't understand how hillary is an option, much less a candidate. i don't nowed she she is not jail. she is the epitomy of white elitism and the things she has done -- a woman who took money from the survivors in haiti, who helped ruin the lives of women her husband is accused of sexually assaulting and -- >> do you think that issue, the whole marriage issue, should come up -- >> listen. no. not the fact that she did it. it's her role in helping destroy those women. >> i understand -- if donald trump bridges up done he said didn't for the reason he didn't want to that that with her daughter there but sounds like all bet others coo be off for the next debate. what then? >> you know what, neil? he doesn't need to use it. there's enough to get her on already. she is he gift that keeps on giving every day. she says something more stupid or more of a live than she did the day before. you don't have to make stuff up. you don't have to reach for fogs s

gowdy and others.ack trump to be against corruption. >> if you don't, you are endorsing hillary without a question, right? >> well, let's put it this way. >> this is a simple deal. if we go through the sill jim. she leads the corruption cartel in washington, has for decades. or you vote for someone other than donald trump. if you vote for trump you vote against corruption. does the sill jim hold up? >> for you and me, yes. >> i have got to tell you -- >> ryan has endorsed trump. maybe not with the enthusiasm some would like, but he did do it unlike the governor of ohio. lou: it's always great to have you here. a good sport and great american. >> like the yankees, wait until next year. >> i want to point out to all of you watching tonight. as i struggled with hiccups, i very seldom get hiccups. but i had a terrible taste of them. i will share with some of the panaceas my colleagues provide. hold your breath, deep breath, sugar on my tongue. i also had a spoonful of peanut butter placed firmly on my tong

were doing is questioning what seems to be a botched investigation at all levels, whether it was trey gowdy or jason chaffetz or chairman goode lat or myself, in the course of an ordinary prosecution and questioned the director, and he had no good answers for most of them. judge napolitano: some of the things that don't happen is no grand jury was impanelled, no subpoena was issued, no search warrants were served. effectively no supervision from the department of justice. they gave her lawyer a form of immunity when there was nothing to testify about and willy-nilly gave a form of immunity to the others. why give immunity? what justification does he have for that when they weren't going to give you anything substantial in return against the target, mrs. clinton? >> i think, judge, what we can do is assume two things. ineptness or in fact what they were doing is immunizing people who otherwise could have been squeezed. there's no question, if you look at somebody and say you've committed crimes, we can prove it. the removal of any government document which cheryl mills clearly had done and t