one of them is grace jo, there on the left.n her young life she experienced horrors few of us could ever have imagined. hers is astounding journey from north korea to a maryland college classroom. when grace jo walks along the leafy path of montgomery college in maryland, she is indistinguishable from any other american college student. but the 26-year-old's astounding journey took her from the gulags of dictatorship to the american united states. grace is north korean escapee, one of eight recipients of george w. bush institute's north korean freedom scholarship program. an effort by the former president to encourage freedom and values from those who fled the kingdom. and grace is uncompromising on what she says should be the fate of north korean dictator kim jong-un. >> the north korean regime should not exist in this world anymore, any longer. i will say the u.s. government use military force or any kind of force, we shall stop the north korean regime. the regime is killing those innocent people in the country. childs, babie

and, grace jo, thank you for your testimony. and big tim. i got to know tim as a result of presidential leadership scholars at the bush center along with the clinton center and with help from 41 and lbj's libraries. i am thrilled that friends of ours from afghanistan, china, north korea, and venezuela are here as well. these are people who have experienced the absence of freedom and they know what it's like and they know there is a better alternative to tyranny. laura and i are thrilled that the bush center supporters are here. bernie, i want to thank you and your committee. i call him bernie. [laughter] pres. bush: it's amazing to have secretary albright share the stage with condi and ambassador haley. for those of you that kind of take things for granted, that's a big deal. [laughter] [applause] pres. bush: thank you. we are gathered in the cause of liberty. that is why we are here. this is a unique moment. the great democracies face new and serious threats -- yet seem to be losing confidence in their own calling and competence. economic,

and, grace jo, thank you for your testimony. and big tim. i got to know tim as a result of presidential leadership scholars at the bush center along with the clinton foundation, with help from 41 and lbj's libraries. i am thrilled that friends of ours from afghanistan, china, north korea, and venezuela are here as well. these are people who have experienced the absence of freedom and they know what it's like and they know there is a better alternative to tyranny. laura and i are thrilled that the bush center supporters are here. bernie, i want to thank you and your committee. i call him bernie. [laughter] it's amazing to have secretary albright share the stage with condi and ambassador haley. for those of you that kind of take things for granted, that's a big deal. [laughter and applause] thank you. we are gathered in the cause of liberty this is a unique moment. the great democracies face new and serious threats -- yet seem to be losing confidence in their own calling and competence. economic, political, and national security challenges pro

thank you for being here and grace jo thank you for your testimony, big tim. i got to get to know him a president scholars a program at the bush center along with the clinton center and with help from 41 and lbj's libraries. i want to -- i'm thrilled that friends of ours from afghanistan, china, north korea and venezuela are here as well. these are people who have experienced the absence of freedom. they know what it's like. and they know there is a better alternative than tyranny. laura and i are thrilled that the bush center supporters are here. bernie, i thank you and your committee. i call him bernie. it is amazing to have secretary albright share the stage with condie and ambassador haley. for those of you who kind of take things for granted, that's a big deal. [applause] thank you. we are gathered in the cause of liberty. that's why we're here. this is a unique moment. the great democracies face new and serious threats, yet seem to be losing confidence in their own calling and competence. economic, political and national security challenges proliferate a

talks about negotiating with north korea and when you hear stories like this week of the student grace jo who escaped from north korea and she describes her two brothers starving to death, her father being beaten to death because he tried to bring a bag of rice to his family, the regime that treats its own people like that, can you negotiate with someone like that? >> unfortunately, yes. the difficulty is there are lots of bad people in the world and unfortunately some of them get to run countries and they run those countries -- >> melissa: that's beyond being bad people. that seems irrational. >> if i can finish. if the question here is whether you can negotiate the answer is yes. if the question is how successful will those negotiations be, that's a different question. one of the things you have to keep in mind is that everybody who runs a country or anybody who runs an organization, they have some interests even if the interest is to stay in power and stay alive. if you threaten those-dish identify and threat en those interests and get them to believe they can fulfill those interests t