and garrett graff. he's a contributor to "wired" magazine and the author of "the threat matrix: inside robertr' muelf.b.i. and the war on global terror." hello to both of you. thank you for being here. i wa to get to the subpoena question, but, first, i want to ask you about the -- what mr. mural did in trying to determine whether there was obstruction of justice. robert ray, the investigator -- rather the investigators,sp including thial counsel, clearly spent a lot of time looking at what the president did, and we learnee that asked, on a number of occasionsk people who wor him, the white house counsel, other advisors, to either go and ask the attorney general to resign, to step down or ttop the cork work that he was doing, tried to get mr. mueller to stop what he was doing. how do we read that and how do we read that as not obstruction? >> i think at one level, of course, most of what you refer to we already knew about. mean, none of that really is new, and much of it, also, was out in the open.os i

garrett graff, could you respond? thank you. >> yeah, think this is a very damaging portrait of a white house beset by leaks and fundamentally disloyal to the president. this is sort of a mmanaged white house, and you see that both on the campaign and you see thatn the white house. i mean, you see that in the first half volume one of this report, and a campaign where the president's own top advisors were l running the own entirely unrelated schemes and crimes in the midst of trying to serve the president. i mean, this is a very damaging portrait of the president's management. >> woodruff: we're going to leave it there and, of course, we will continue to look at thts repoe days to come. garrett graff, robert ray, we thank you both. >> thanks, judy. >> woodruff: rheumatic heart disease, a condition that afflicts more than 30 million people globally, kills an estimated 300,000 every year, most of them young people in developing couries. special correspondent fred de sam lazaro reports on one o oup trying tke a dent in rw

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him and garrett graff who know so much about mr. mueller and his press conference. here's one thing garrett graff knows and now we all do, mueller is not going to be at that press conference tomorrow. that's a significant exclusion. mazzetti, let's dovetail what we learned from "the washington post" what your reporting was. what did you learn? >> what we reported today was that there had been numerous discussions between justice department officials and white house lawyers in recent weeks about the substance of the report. we never said that there was a full briefing and we don't still know what of the mueller findings have been briefed to the white house, but there was -- there was clearly a discussion, and this discussion has helped the president's lawyers begin their rebuttal process. >> sure. >> or shape the rebuttal process. that we expect the rebuttal to come out some time after the mueller report comes out tomorrow. so this has been an important thing. and as you pointed out, it was something that last week when barr testified to congress, he pointedly didn't

so let's discuss now, kirsten powers is here, renato mariotti, garrett graff as well.g, everyone. we're going to start with chairman jerry nadler demanding the communications, they want the summaries prepared by mueller's team. is it becoming clear that the american people don't know the truth? >> i think it's crystal clear at this point, don. we have not seen literally one single sentence, full sentence from start to finish from the mueller report. so almost 400-page report and we don't have a single sentence and the attorney general barr is saying that his letter was not a summary of the report. and i think that speaks volumes. in other words, he -- instead of releasing these summaries that were prepared essentially for the public to see, he writes a four-page letter and he's not willing to say it's a summary of the report. presumably because it's -- it leaves something out that's important or is misleading in some way. i think, you know, it's unclear to me, you know, what other possible reason there could be for him to go back on his promise for full transparency. >

back with me now kirsten powers, renato mariotti and garrett graff.re's always a twist and a tissue in this case, and so here we go. kirsten, what do you make of the timing here, that he was due to report early next week, and then now he's discovered 14 million files on a drive? >> yeah, it's kind of unbelievable. i also don't -- i actually don't understand 14 million files. >> that's a lot, right? >> i'm getting a little hung up on that. i don't know how you have 14 million files and somehow lose the ability to access them. so this is pretty incredible. and then you finally are able to access them right before you're about to go to prison. it's just a very, very strange situation. and i -- it's -- it would seem like he probably held this back. >> let me read this and then maybe -- i don't know if this will help you. this is what his attorneys wrote. working alone with mr. cohen has only had the time to go through less than 1% of the drive or approximately 3,500 files, mr. cohen needs time, resources and assistance to separate out privileged and perso

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john dean and garrett graff are here. good evening, gentlemen. john, i want to start with you. one of the very first lines in mueller's report reads, the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. yet here's jared kushner saying that it's no big deal. is he being purposefully misleading about what the russians did? >> when i first read his remarks, i wasn't sure. then i watched him on the clip that you just used, and he had obviously planted that seed in his head and then found the opportunity to use it. and i think it's a devastating misstatement. it's misleading. it's absolutely incorrect. the man has either not read the report, or he's intentionally trying to mislead, and he's not in a good position to be doing that. >> mm-hmm. >> garrett, listen, he says a couple of facebook ads, but facebook says russians reached 126 million people from 2015 to 2017, and that's just one social media platform. if you look at all these groups and how many followers they had, i read it in the open at the top of this show, in the previou

joining me is garrett graff as well as carrie cordero.ions do you think barr will be asked tomorrow and how many do you think he's going to answer? because until the report comes out, it would be strange for him to be talking about it. >> it would. i think he's going to try to avoid at all costs talking about anything that is the substance of the report. certainly anything that goes beyond what he put in his summary letter. but i think it is fair game for him to be asked about it and he certainly should expect to be asked about timing, when he expects to deliver the report and the process he's going through. why has it taken the time that it has, whether or not he is far along in the process of the review, the review for classified information, the review for grand jury information, and i think those are fair questions and it would be odd if the hearing took place tomorrow without them being asked. >> garrett, the report obviously hasn't been released. why would barr -- he wouldn't want to get ahead of it, especially if the vetting proces

i want to talk about it with robert ray and garrett graff.orney general has essentially sort of said there's four criteria for redacting things. do those four criteria make sense to you, one that raised concerns is the idea of redacting things that relate to any third party who is portrayed in a bad light, but -- and since nobody is charged with a crime? >> i think the operative word there, and it was one that i picked up on from the attorney general's letter was peripheral. i don't think that applies to the president. >> you don't think that applies to the president? >> >> i don't. that's with regard to other people. i guess the other thing -- yes, i agree with generally speaking the four criteria, and i think the executive privilege issue has been taken off the table because the president has said in effect that he would let that go to the attorney general to decide. and the attorney general i think is probably going to err on the side of not asserting executive privilege. that still leaves a fair amount of material to be redacted, from wha

laura coates is an expert, as is garrett graff, the author of "mueller's war." let's talk about this. laura, the legal angle here, mueller lays out a key reason why obstruction by trump failed. it's because people around him had refused to carry out orders. okay. i just wand to read that part. "the president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful largely because of persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or see to his requests." that is volume two, page 158. the president was protected by the people around him but his intent is still there. so did he obstruct? >> well, absolutely, according to the mueller report. remember, the idea that there were adults in the room is comfortable. however, obstruction is a crime where if you endeavor to do so, meaning you even try to do so, even if it's not successful, even if you don't under mine or stop an investigation, which none of the things that were outlined by what you talked about, those ten or eleven different categories of information, and instances where the pres