multi agency dealing with it to being executive director for the entire state, california graffiti association of california. so i have a fair amount of background. i first became involved in graffiti back in 1991 when i was told in the gang unit that i was going to be a two-week assignment to deal with these guys called taggers. i continued until i retired so it was a long two weeks. a lot of times cities don't understand how deep the issue goes. i have had my card handed out, this is my phone number. i have absolutely no problem with people calling me any time to discuss graffiti issues, graffiti cases, any of that stuff, i am always available. that's why i put my card out there. so first off, before we get into the graffiti part we have to talk about the person whos going to be dealing with graffiti when he goes to court. personnel and training are the two keys to success in any detail, we're going to talk specifically about graffiti but in any assignment as a police officer. when we hire on a police officer we look for 3 things besides integrity, we look for the ability to do the job, the