i will start with you if i may, graham allison, thank you for joining us.m power, medium—sized power, just off europe, across the atlantic, watch it we be spending on defence and what do you think of our role is being so what should we be spending? it is a tough set of questions and i know people will struggle with it. but i think britain historically has played a crucial role of leadership in europe. britain will not be able to defend its off against russia. but britain as part of an alliance can hope to create a stable europe, which in fact we've actually done and seen in the period since world war ii, including after the cold war. so, britain's military forces are most of all about getting it a seat at the table and a voice in trying to shape sensible policy europe. that's a really clear answer. let me put this to you, i think we get a seat at the table if we spent 2% of our national income on defence, that is the native target. most other nato countries are not even spending that. should that be our aspiration, or should we go further to attain that med

graham allison from harvard has done extensive analysis in 12 of the 16 situations the nations go to war. for they do not. we need to understand china, listen, exceed and cooperate where we can but confront where they push beyond the borders. if we do that i think we can avoid an open confrontation. >> -- versus a land battle. >> the ocean, the biggest thing is terrain. the oceans are flat. there are no terrain borders. you know how fast you can cross them. you have more known elements in a sea battle on the surface. on land you have enormous obstacles to get over. the challenge is what is happening below the sea. i sometimes the admirals who could see the challenge in front of him. in the admiral today has story about an undersea battle that's three-dimensional. so in admiral has to deal with the surface of the oceans but his challenges what's happening underneath. he has the advantage with the flatness of the sea but a danger from what's under it. in general has more challenges but they can map thousand doesn't have to deal with the hidden dimension. two different battle mindsets a

or graham allison. the germans negligence tend to mount to assistance unable to lead a normal professional life in argentina he invested into pharmaceutical laboratories over a million dollars mars lent to him by his family the doctor intended to pursue his passion medical science. the offices were located in this point a sari's building. sequin also remember in the middle of the first business in his new profession was the fire drove from la barra. he made products for sale to the public quite openly under his real name. these papers which were presented for the establishment of the limited company we can see the name mangling if you want. irrevocable of a report but i you know want to have it i called him dr greg because that was how he had been introduced and then he corrected me telling me that it was dr mengele way and not dr greg or. the i was rather surprised by this but he explained to me that he had got the name of dr greco when he left germany after the war because of political problems. our.

. >> and allison, senator graham also said he thought bob mcgahn did the right thing and trump should be listening to him in terms of not carrying through on the firing. but then it brings us to congress and an agreement on whether they will pass some sort of bill to protect mueller. do you see it happening, alice? >> fred, it's sad we have to get to this point but we may have to get to that point. i think mueller should be protected. i don't think there should be any outside influences to try and seek his removal. look, a few things. i think the administration, specifically the president, is wrong to call this russia investigation a hoax. i think it's wrong to call it a witch hunt. i think it's wrong for him to call this very well-sourced story about asking to fire mueller as fake news. but at the same time, we have to keep in mind it didn't happen. he sought advice from his legal counsel. his attorneys told him that's a bad idea, don't do it, and he didn't do it. i think we need to keep in mind while this is a very important

ernie: well, actually, my friend graham allison at the harvard kennedy school, is trying to develop a theme that's relevant to your question of so-called science, or scientists as diplomats. and so first let me say that i think the role of science in negotiations has always been very important. and in fact, on the jcpoa, for example, i mean, i became a negotiator in parallel with the secretary of state in february, 2015. but the department of energy was involved in those negotiations all the time. because there had to be constant analysis of options, etc. so you know, to be honest, you know, the rather unique situation that developed in jcpoa put more of a spotlight on it. but -- and it was different to actually be the -- be a negotiator as opposed to a supporter for the negotiations. so in this particular case, it proved to be, first of all, fortuitous. that the quote, heads of the nuclear programs in the two countries both had the requisite technical background not to mention both having m.i.t. connections was extremely helpful as well. and -- but what i don't know and with graham,

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