certainly that , potential in the american psyche, a theme i make in the articles related to graham ellisonyou well know, trying to avoid this becoming a vicious cycle of each nation becoming so fearful of the others that it brings out their worst traits. charlie: when you look at their military, are they building up? james: but from a very low base relative to the united states. i think a saving grace is the chinese military is fully aware of how dominant the fleet is in that part of the world, how much stronger the u.s. is in military means, but it does -- relative to vietnam, relative to south korea, relative to the philippines they've become , relatively more prominent. especially in the south china sea. charlie: the question has always been that china has not shown any desire to be an imperialistic power. it has not. but people wonder if, at some point, as it continues to become a larger and larger economy, as it continues to have a greater role in the world, as it continues to see institutions that it wants to be part of and that it can play a role in it , might change. james: yes. an