i think we can now speak to graham fieldhouse who we re now speak to graham fieldhouse who were tryingn the number of people reporting how quickly this fire to call. yes. firstly condolences to those who have lost loved ones. it is clear that the building had recently is clear that the building had rece ntly ha d is clear that the building had recently had cladding put on the external parts of the building which it is quite clear from the building has been the cause of the fire spread going up the side of the building. but there are a number of other areas of concern that one would need to raise and that is why did the escape routes within the means of escape gets so quickly fire cloa ked ? means of escape gets so quickly fire cloaked ? why was means of escape gets so quickly fire cloaked? why was smoke logging happening there? the doors should have held back the fire with the flat. people should have had at least half an hour to evacuate the building. that does not seem to have happened here. that is a responsibility under regulation 38 of approved document to for information for the

i have been talking to graham fieldhouse, a fire safety expert, in particular with reference to the speedescape routes so quickly fire clogs? why was smoke clogging happening there? people should have had at least 30 minutes to evacuate the building and that doesn't seem to have happened. there is a responsibility under regulations for information about the fire, spread of fire information about the fire, spread offire in information about the fire, spread of fire in relation to cladding, should have been recorded there, those are the sort of questions we are going to have to consider and the cut. this is not something new. at la ka nal house the cut. this is not something new. at lakanal house in 2009, one of the issues was the spread of fire, the potential for service spread —— surface spread, this is one thing we must look at. to specific points that we want to pick up on. let us talk about the cladding. you are saying, from the pictures you have looked at, that is the reason for the fire going up the side of the building. there will be people saying if that is the case why is it even

let's speak now to graham fieldhouse, a consultant fire safety expert for social housing and was also the issues that came up was families, one of the issues that came up was the surface spread of fire from the outside of the building and it would appear something similar is the case so why checks done, what fire testing certification was in place and did the people who are looking at the testing did they have the necessary skills and expertise to understand what they were looking at? the other questions is the fire doors. even if the fire hit a flat, each of the flats is like a shoe box, they should have given you a 30 minute protection so when you've stuck next to each other, each should be protected 30 minutes so the flat front doors should have given protection. witness reports say it was full of smoke, where did that come from, what the windows on the floor is causing the smoke to get there was at the doors themselves and the other question is people saying they did not hear any alarms or have alarms. that should have been a or have alarms. that should have beena minimum or have

graham fieldhouse is a fire—safety expert, and joins me now. good morning.he fire took off. what are your experts telling you about that? it is unusual. we haven't seen a fire takes hold of the external pa rt a fire takes hold of the external part of a building. when we think about fires, we look at the internal not the external. one of the issues that came out of lakmal was some of the external assisting the fire. enquiries were made into that and reports were done. we have another enquiry. we want one that will put things forward that are helpful for the future so we don't have to go through interviews like this again. we need a full enquiry to determine what people knew about the product put in. what specification was for the product? what about the people looking at the certification? what was specified to be put in the property? and the fire doors! one of the interviews yesterday said the corridors were very quickly smoke—locked. can i just corridors were very quickly smoke—locked. can ijust tell the viewers, but there is a lot of debris around. it is r