so i think you know, the grand panama was kind of a classic case. really, you know, and if you look at grand panama history, the 1st lawyer that became involved when michael ran the senate right to human rights lawyer. and then to death penalty. lawyers who were immediately on the story of guantanamo because they represented people who were particularly treated as none the big tomorrow. so you know, several that the human rights issue, they're always been important to me that most story i think was probably more pulling through lots of non americans from the beginning. but i was to people in the us to were encouraged to be in this this the state of vengeance towards the people who caused the 911 attacks. whereas around the world, people will looking at these parameters. furniture is when the people in the orange jumpsuits with them the ears covered and kneeling in the gravel and shouted at the god, david that was, that was shocking for people around the world. and in britain, the right wing daily newspaper ran and ran a headline of torture when, whe

s. government dealing with grand panama issues like this. but the yemen is all forcibly repatriated to yemen in the n. for some of them subsequently disappeared. i'm not sure if they are all still safe. and that was an absolute disaster. and you know, there have been other cases where the resettlement just has not been helpful. it has not worked out well for the men who were settled in countries where for example, the governments may not have been sympathetic. a toll where there is no little knowing muslim presence and. ready what i find particularly shocking, john, is that all of these arrangements that were made between the united states government and these host nations are a secret and be not something that is, that conforms to any recognizable standards of rights and of human rights. that arbitrary secret decisions taken by the us about the status of these people. and i think they really, fundamentally, you know, haven't escaped from the situation that has always apply to them since they request these incent grand panama, which is the,

monday was the grand panama with ad charge trial it. thank. so tonight we're going to get to that in a minute. i have a personal connection as a bag that i'm excited to talk to you about. first i want to ask you, what do you see eventually happening to those few dozen prisoners who are still at one cono my. my own personal position is that they have a constitutional right to face their accusers in a court of law and to be judged by a jury of their peers. if they've committed a crime, then they should be tried for it and have the opportunity to defend themselves. that has never happened and it likely never will happen. in the case of, i was a beta whom i was responsible for capturing. if we're not going to charge him with a crime, then he must be released in the case of khalid shaikh mohammed. for example, if he truly was the mastermind of the $911.00 attacks, then charge him with that crime and put him on trial. how do you see all of this playing out in the end? well, you know, this again is quite a long story. the prison that is in 2008 for t