diseases expert and secretary general of the organized medicine, academic guild, and for melbourne, grant blashley and associate professor at the nozzle institute for global health at the university of melbourne. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us. today on inside story, howard, let me start with you today. it is estimated that between 80002880002 health care workers could have died from cupboard 19 since the beginning of the pandemic. that is a staggering number just how shocking is it to you i'm. it's a, it's a conservative estimate. it is absolutely shocking. i think the true figure could be higher. i think we could be pushing close to a quarter of a 1000000. it's an indictment of government's failure to act, to protect health care work as these are people who were just going to work to do their job. but the real issue that worries me hugely here is that the, the actual number of deaths reported to the world health organization from countries around the world is less than 7000 people are clapping, but nobody is counting. and that sends a message to suggest that it's ju