the grassley letter is another example. we believe if we get the emails since the hard drive evidently doesn't have on her end. if we can get them on the other end from the agencies that she was corresponding with, maybe we can get some more information and more answers. right now, there is no accountability. this is an agency that's run amuck. there are other agencies in government evidently losing their hard drives as well right now. >> the democrats control the senate, of course, they may want to get on this one because the american people are growing more and more unhappy about this. and this email tonight where she is starting a u.s. senator. imagine a small business person in north or south dakota or wisconsin or whatever. you get one of these targeted emails just unjust. you know, it's like this is a big chance for the u.s. senate to do something. to get to the bottom of it. >> it is is and it should be bipartisan. you are absolutely right. and, you know, this new information, these new revelations, i think, provide

lois lerner went after grassley. here, 76%, does that surprise you? if you look at the poll numbers. if you look at the breakdown democrats and republicans alike saying they don't believe the irs. it's not just a partisan issue here where we just have doubt in a democratic administration. and then you look at the number of people who are unsure. it's a very small number which again shows so many people are paying attention to this issue. so many people are following. this it's a great public interest. and despite what the administration is saying that this is just a scandal that's being dreamed up by washington i think the public wants to know what happened here. it's a big puzzle. look at all the pieces and all the hearings we have had and listen to the excuses put forward by the irs. a lot of it sounds so ludicrous, the excuses about a crashed hard drive 10 days after a request was made for information. when we know those emails went somewhere. why can't we get the emails on the other end? everybody is asking those questions. >> i'm surprised the me

sic'ing the irs on nor grassley. republicans say if she was ready to go after the former chairman of the finance commiee imagine what she was whimming to do to the less powerful across the country. bill: how is senator grassley reacting to this? >> he's concerned that's a mixup got the irs turning for extra scrutiny for somebody. he says this fuels the concern about the irs targeting republicans at the highest levels. we found this exchange and perhaps we'll find some more, then what's in the missing emails. bill: on the investigative front what's the highest on that. >> in the senate they have been doing a bipartisan investigation. after all this has come up in the house hearings. orrin hatch is pressing the chairman of the committee to hold an open hearing. hatch has also written letters to the attorney general and the head of the federal election commission and the treasury secretary trying to find out if they have any of lois lerner's emails. but do these other agencies have learner's emails? hatch ising for more

. >> new e-mails show learner targeted chuck grassley. it is getting deeper and deeper. >> it is the kind of information to a group from republican senator chuck grassley we don't know how ended up with lois lerner at the irs. the invitation invited grassley to attend and offered to pay for his wife to attend. instead of forwarding the invitation to the senator learner suggested maybe grassley should be audited. according to e-mails uncovered learner e-mailed three irs officials saand said quote look like they were inappropriately offering to pay for his wife. perhaps we should refer to exam. >> senator grassley responded in a statement saying quote this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many have about political targeting by the irs and officials at the highest levels. gop lawmakers are furious about learner's prconduct. >> you mentioned this latest example of targeting. senator grassley's integrity is on question is another example of political targeting. it is clear these guys who have the power to ruin and destroy people's lives w

i think the offer to pay grassley's wife income is to grassley and not prohibitive on his face.would need for grassley to accept and attend the speaking arrangement and then two then determine whether -- something was blanked there -- issue him a 1099 and even without the 1099 it would be grassley who would need to report the income on his 1040. a little lesson there. >> she didn't know the law. >> she doesn't know. she is referring to somebody else. i still don't understand how she gets correspondence senator grassley has. in case you're saying what does that have to do with the tea party investigation? these are some of the things that have turned up. this is one thing to get a window into her life and job description. you've got to wonder if we are stumbling on to this interaction with senator chuck grassley who even by democrats' standards and republican standards has a sterling reputation of ethics, he is somebody -- you wonder if this is the beginning. they go on, from lois lerner, thanks, don't know why i thought it was -- something is redacted there. maybe answer would b

he said not sure we should send to exam i think the offer to pay for grassley's wife is up to grassley and not prohibited on its face. senator grassley issued a statement saying this is very troubling and a very measured statement. he's been referring to a hand card he keeps in his suit so that he doesn't deviate his language. that is a clear indication there are going to be very specific investigations as to how this happened. republicans are already going into the irs investigation very, very aggressively and believe they are being stonewalled and the administration is covering up. this comes in the context of lois lerner's personal emails between 2009 and 2011 having disappeared in a computer crash. republicans are furious and alleging this is a deliberate attempt to block their investigation. now the investigation will include whether or not senator grassley was targeted. he's the ranking republican on the senate finance committee. that means if the republicans were to take over the majority next year he would be the chairman of it. the finance committee writes taxes. it has jurisd

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an e-mail suggested she sought to have grassley audit pd. for the latest on this developing story we turn to our correspondent in washington with all of the details. karl, it never ends. >> reporter: new outrage, new calls for a special prosecutor and all of this comes because a nonprofit group wanted to invite lois lerner and chuck grassley to an event. and the invitation for grassley went to learner and in it there was an offer for the nonprofit group to pay some of mr. grszly's kpnss. learner sent and e-mail to a colleague suggesting that it be further examined. that e-mail has now surfaced. senator grassley has known about it for a couple of month s and he's been very careful to contain his language in anticipation of a whole new avenue of investigation in the irs scandal. so outraged are republicans that this afternoon on the u.s. senate floor, ted cruz went to the floor of the senate and put in the historic record forever his charge that there should be immediately on the u.s. senate a resolution to appoint a special prosecutor and tha

>> paul, starting with the grassley point, i think what we really learned here is that lois lerner was willing to use your position there at the irs for political retribution. senator grassley was one of the senators who was really sort of after the irs about what their practices were, including about gift taxes and later about conservative groups. so the fact that she was so eager to get him into exam, as she put it, really raises some questions about her motives. >> it was even too much, dan, for the irs itself, which said whoa, whoa, whoa, ms. lerner. >> this is all in a letter that dave camp released. the letter back from her colleagues at the irs said, lois, for one thing, senator grassley probably is not breaking the law. and we don't really think we want to get into attacking, in effect, the former ranking member of the senate finance committee. it was even too much for them. what it does reflect is lois lerner's mind itset. if she's willing to go after a united states senator she was certainly willing to go after patriots united in wa tum ka, alabama. >> that's right. that rais

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senator grassley knew about it about two months and been very careful using language on three b by 5s in a new investigation of the irs scandal. so angry and outraged are republicans that ted cruz went to the floor of the senate and put in the historic record forever his charge that there should be immediately on the u.s. senate a resolution to appoint a special prosecutor and democrats should support it. and he said if eric holder the u.s. attorney general in the obama administration's appointee there does not appoint a special prosecutor he should be impeached. very tough stuff. look for the house of ways and means committee to push his own investigation into this. he has jurisdiction over it. all across the hill the investigators are going back into this thinking they have another example of lois lerner's abuse of power. one thing on house speaker john boehner's lawsuit against the president. he's going forward with it now, that's clear, strengthened in part by the decision of the supreme court shannon was just talking about it. we have a decision how it will be done. the resolutio

and the letter back from her colleagues at the irs said, lois, for one thing, senator grassley probably is not breaking the law. and we don't really think we want to get into attacking in effect the former ranking member of the senate finance committee. i mean, it was even too much for the guy. but what it does reflect is lois lerner's mind-set. if she is willing to go after a united states senator, she was certainly willing to go after patriots united in alabama. that's what was at stake. >> that's right. and that raises even more questions, colin, about this lost two years of e-mails. what have we learned this week that's new in terms of why these were lost or what obligations the irs had to make sure they weren't lost. >> yeah. first of all, just on the timing real quick, paul, we know that in june 2011, that's when gop senators started asking about it. and then all of a sudden also in june 2011, that's when lois lerner's computer crashed. that's awful low odd. what's really interesting, there is a group called z-street, a pro israel group and in 2009 applied for tax exempt status. >

might want to investigate grassley. the colleague pushed back saying there was no need for investigation. it is interesting that so many lois lerner are e-mails that are missing and this doesn't make her look good. >> reporter: it doesn't make her look great at all and serves up gasoline on the fire. what is in the e-mails and some are them are redakted and it may be a bombshell. with the scandal still brewing and so many documents and e-mails missing tis not what she or the obama administration needed right now. >> and the public appetite for what is going on here, seems to be the apto it for an investigation is on the increase. 74 percent of the voters according to the fox nows poll that law maker ares should investigate the irs until someone is held accountable. back in april it was 67 percent. april came before it was revealed that lois lerner's crashed hard drive disappeared and the e-mails are unroachable. and the public seems fired up about this? >> reporter: americans of all political stripes have a certain leve

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chuck grassley was invited to speak at a seminar.fereding to pay for his wife to attend. let's discuss. our cnn panel is joining us. what do you make of this new evidence, so-called political targeting? >> my question is, didn't she have something better to do, wolf? either this was malice, it was pettiness, it was bureaucratic, or it was incompetence. if there was some kind of a technical violation in the invitation itself, and by the way, grassley never ended up attending this. i was scratching my head saying, wait a minute, this is the head of the irs. there are a lot of big issues out there. people don't understand the laws as they apply to hem or to nonprofits. she's out there sending e-mails saying maybe we ought to investigate senator grassley. there's something wrong here. >> reporters are suggesting she wasn't say investigate senator grassley, investigate the organization that was inviting grassley and also inviting his wife to come along on a free trip raising questions whether the organization was violating tax exempt stat

i think the offer to pay for grassley's wife is income to grassley and not prohibited on its face. the e-mails are additional evidence that lerner who was in charge of the agency's tax exempt unit allegedly attempted to target republicans and e-mails are missing and irs say they are not recoverable. grassley calls the new developments troubling and added in part, quote. this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many people have about the irs. the irs said it could not comment because of transexempt confidentiality agreements. >>> the democrats on the hill, i would have to believe, at some point, are going to start aggressively trying to distance themselves from lois lerner and the clowns who were running the irs right now. >> i don't know that any democrats were are rushing to embrace the irs or lois lerner in particular. if you listen to some of the testimony from democrats during these hearings, they have been pretty hard on her and for good political reason too. i mean, the irs is not exactly the kind of agency that any politician wants to wrap their metaphor cal arms around. i

grassley of course, the long-time, very powerful senator from iowa. lerner's deputy told her it didn't seem to be anything improper in this invitation and the matter was dropped. grassley, issued a statement saying this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many people have about political targeting by the irs and by officials at the highest levels. house oversight committee chairman darrell issa is calling for a probe to get to the bottom of this. listen. >> this case calls for a true special, independent prosecutor, who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard documents and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> reporter: now the irs responded by putting out a statement that says in part, as a general matter the irs has checks and balances in place to insure the fairness and integrity of the audit process. audits can not be initiated solely by personal requests or suggestions by any one individual inside of the irs. so, republicans here have more to chew on as they look at the irs, lois lerner and n

but what is chuck grassley saying? like envelopes got mixed up, but senator grassley said it was about him. this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many people have about political targeting by the irs and by officials at the highest level. it's very troubling that a simple clerical mix-up could get a taxpayer immediately referred for an irs exam without any due diligence from agency officials. the irs told dierdre walsh that it can't comment on taxpayer matters but that it does have checks and balances to ensure fairness in the audit process and that audits can't be initiated solely by personal request, erin. >> joe, thank you very much. obviously very troubling when you consider, of course, that thousands of e-mails from lois lerner are now supposedly missing forever. paul, you just heard joe's reporting. what do you make of this? >> it's stunning. first off, it's incomplete. >> fair point. >> joe's the best in the business. but we don't have all the facts yet. i say that because when the first irs story came out

senator grassley has a termstion around here in of his integrity. impeccable. so these suggestions by lois perhaps others at the i.r.s., that they ought to somehow audit him or examine, that's just, again, another example of an agency with a bunch of people who really have amuck.da that's run is there a discussion about it? yes. on those revelation that came out on these e-mails and generated i think a good amount of discussion. but with respect to the finance committee, as you mentioned, grassley and i serve on that committee, we were trying to get this concluded, this investigation, the bipartisan investigation, i might add, by the finance committee. but we can't get answers from i.r.s. it's like everything else. they are evasive. they are misleading. providing answers in a timely way. there is no accountability there. at least the republicans on the finance committee are incredibly frustrated. too,e the democrats are, at the lack of answers we're getting from the i.r.s. revolution about senator grassley is sort of view, a very my cumulative amount of evidenc

the latest questions about an inquiry into senator grassley and missing e-mails.ions are unanswered. it is a murky situation. it is fuelling republican fury toward the administration. that will be a political issue for democrats to handle and address ahead of november. >> alice, i want to get to the grassley thing in a minute. take me through this as a conservative. you have been outspoken in saying you have a problem with this politically. i have no problem seeing the questions about the missing e-mails. the irs wouldn't accept that kind of excuse from a taxpayer. i understand being upset about that. connecting this to the obama administration saying there is will a plot involving the obama administration. what is the case, the argument you are making? >> the connection back in the 2012 election when the conservative groups were targeted, initially the white house said this is a rogue bunch of agents in cincinnati. now we know the connection to washington, d.c. >> alice, i don't mean to stop you there but that's where i sort of stop following this closely. there

. >> both she and grassley were invited to speak at a seminar.ound out the organizers were offering to pay for grassley's wife to pay for the event. >> did not audit the senator. >> pumps up the interest in lois learner's missing e-mails more. the irs says a hard drive crash and some other issues left a lot of those e-mails missing and unretrievable from 2011. >> republicans say that timing looks awfully suspicious. the e-mails were lost just ten days or so after representative david camp sent a letter asking whether conservative groups were being targeted. oh, we need to bring in our technology analyst brett larson, my former tech tv colleague. i want you to geek out with me a little bit. >> absolutely. >> the irs is claiming that these e-mails were lost or ir retrievable due to a hard drive crash or something. >> right. >> you and i both know and know e-mail is the most used computer program around. also not stored drives, it's on >> right. and have hard drives, usually multiple hard drives, a. there is usually -- >> and there's redundancies. >

senator grassley pointed out. would favor certain speakers over others and guarantee preferential treatment. it contains a provision not found in prior proposals, which provides congress cannot abridge the freedom of the press. this is great. if you are a corporation that owns a newspaper. this is terrific news for you. you get your speech, but nobody else does. the media wins and everybody else loses. everyone on this committee knows this proposal is never going to pass congress. this is a political exercise and that is all it is. the goal is to stir up one party's political base so they will show up in november. that is to do it by complaining loudly about americans exercising free speech and association rights while being happy than other americans, those who agree with the sponsors of this amendment are doing the same thing. the political nature of this exercise should not fear how shockingly bad this proposal is. this is embarrassingly bad. to be advocating, for the first time in history, that we amended the

i think the offer to pay for grassley's wife is income to grassley and not prohibited on its face." she asked a question, it's answered, end of story. why is that so crazy? >> well i think it's, in a vacuum, one item wouldn't be but this woman from '86 on headed the federal election commission's enforcement. she knew the law probably better than anyone on earth. this is somebody who should have been able to answer a question, not ask the question. but more importantly, if you take all of this, what you see is a pattern of behavior that goes back to the original problem, which is she leaks in an aba conference ig investigation, tries to push blame on to cincinnati, eventually in spite of the white house, we're able to show that in fact it isn't cincinnati but it's her and her unit in washington. >> so you're one piece of proof -- first, let me ask you, is any of this connected directly to the white house? >> we never looked for the white house other than the white house is not cooperating and it continues to not cooperate. >> but no evidence linking any of this to the white house. >>

senator grassley, thank you for also your statement. i'm very impressed with the's tendians here todaattendance he. it's heart warming to see everyone care about this issue. mr. chairman, members of the committee, i'm here because the flood of dark money donation political system poses the greatest threat to our democracy i witnessed during my tenure in public service. the decision of the supreme court have left the american people with a status quo which one side's billionaires are pitted against the other side's billionaires. so we sit here today with a simple choice. we can keep the status quo and argue all day and all night, weekend weekends, forever, about whose billionaires are right and whose billionaires are wrong. or we can work together to change the system, to get this shady money out of our democracy and restore the basic principles of one america, one vote. mr. president, just a little bit of history from my perspective. i ran for the senate in 1974. and i had to be educated as to what the federal laws were. because in neva

reminiscent of the --, that senator grassley pointed out. it would favor certain speakers over others and guarantee preferential treatment. it contains a provision not found in prior proposals, which provides congress cannot abridge the freedom of the press. this is great. if you are a corporation that owns a newspaper. this is terrific news for you. you get your speech, but nobody else does. the media wins and everybody else loses. everyone on this committee knows this proposal is never going to pass congress. this is a political exercise and that is all it is. the goal is to stir up one party's political base so they will show up in november. that is to do it by complaining loudly about americans exercising free speech and association rights while being happy than other americans, those who agree with the sponsors of this amendment are doing the same thing. the political nature of this exercise should not fear how shockingly bad this proposal is. this is embarrassingly bad. to be advocating, for the first time in history, that we amended t

the targeting of chuck grassley, the singling out of chuck grassley ought to trouble every member of this body. and on tuesday, it was reported that the i.r.s. agreed to pay $50,000 in damages to the national organization of marriage because the i.r.s. admittedly unlawfully released confidential information of members of that group to its political opposition. let me repeat that. i.r.s. officials have publicly admitted -- this is not inference, this is not suggestion. this is what they have admitted -- that they leaked personal tax information for the purpose of intimidating a conservative group to the political opposition of that group. madam president, that is textbook abuse of power, and i would note the $50,000 fine -- which, by the way, has been paid by u.s. taxpayers -- the $50,000 fine does nothing to address the partisan political corruption at the i.r.s., the abuse of power, or the cover-up. a fine does not signal that the problem has been fixed. and i would note, by the way, madam president, where are the democratic members of this body standing up and saying it is wrong fo

senator grassley after she somehow received an invitation meant for grassley and his wife from the group. looked like they were offering to pay for his wife. perhaps we should refer to exam. that refers to the irs pre-audit process. grassley, the senior republican on the senate judiciary committee, would be in the senate in the majority next year. he's sticking closely to a statement anticipating a new branch of the investigation that will unfold in the irs scandal. quote, this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many people have about political targeting by the irs, and by officials at the highest levels. the chairman of the tax writing ways and means committee has already taken steps to investigate the matter under his own jurisdiction. and senator ted cruz of texas approved appointment of a special prosecutor. >> attorney general eric holder continues to refuse to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the abuse of power by the irs against the american people. he should be impeached. >> reporter: lawyers representing the irs say the e-mails show lerner was way outside her autho

has ar grassley reputation in terms of his integrity that is impeccable. lerneruggestions by lois that they ought to audit him or examine him. of ananother example agency with a bunch of people who have an agenda. is there a discussion about sick? yes. with respect to the finance committee, we were trying to get this concluded. byipartisan investigation the finance committee. we cannot can answers from the irs. we are misleading. there is no accountability there. the republicans are incredibly frustrated. this latest revelation is solar piling on a very cumulative amount of evidence. they were completely using that agency who had tremendous power. they're using it for political purposes. that is wrong. if we cannot give these investigations that congress is trying to do, we need a special prosecutor to look into this. they are not getting these answers. >> we're talking about this pent-up frustration. suing thealking about executive overreach. do you agree with this? is this something they may associate themselves with? this.t will support speaker boehner

. >> there was breaking news about her today and senator grassley and the american public is interestedn this woman, inserted her fifth amendment right, at center of the targeting scandal, whether she's innocent or not, she's at the center of it and tonight we learned inadvertently lois lerner received a letter and the letter was meant to go to senator grassley, a republican, and they were suggesting that he take some trip and give a speech and they were suggesting they might pay for his wife as well and lois lerner forwards it along within the tax agency suggesting an audit that either grassley or this group sending the letter or both should be audited because it's not appropriate for them to pay for his wife's travel, something he never agreed to. he never even received the letter no, proof he even knows this group and the question is whether this now gives us a window into lois lerner and how sheapproached her job. >> well, we have windows into lois lerner. this one being the latest one, that she was in fact a biased not conservative but liberal on a liberal agenda. her personal e-ma

senator grassley sends an e-mail what happens? >> senator grassley is a republican from iowa.nt a note to lois lerner. she referred him for an audit. i'm sure there's nothing untoward about lois lerner. she seems like a perfectly upstanding citizen. why are we bothering her. >> kimberley, this commissioner never has given to a republican any money, given 85 grand democrat candidates and his agency targets republicans. that's another coincidence. >> let me tell you. american people don't even need any more proof. there's this evidence of common sense. they know they are guilty and lying and corrupt. this is one that definitely sticks. it's about as bad as it can get. her name sounds fake too. >> eric. >> so you got the republicans, the house slashing the irs budget back to 2008 levels. is that going to be it? >> you know what's even more whacky. you're right. probability is so astronomical. you did probably lose it. this is the group that's going to administer obamacare, people that make decision on which doctors gets what. who gets paid or for what. if they can't get an e-mail

and we heard chuck grassley.a theme, something we could begin to hear from other republicans, leverage with elections coming up? >> yeah, it's going to become a major campaign theme. and for shorthand, let's call it the imperial presidency. you saw the house speaker yesterday saying he's going to sue the president for his overreach on all of these executive actions, executive orders. you saw what the supreme court did today and chuck grassley on the floor talking about it. and what they're saying is, look, this is a white house that overreaches, that believes in big government, and the president is unilaterally trying to do things that he could not get congress to do. and the supreme court today, in a unanimous decision, kind of played right into that narrative by saying, look, we understand that the white house is saying they're forced to do these things because of republican obstructionism as they would call it. but what the supreme court is saying is that that may be a policy problem you have, but constitution

that show former irs official lois lerner tried to initiate an audit of republican senator chuck grassleyhat occurred in december of 2012, around the time the irs also went after conservative groups and donors. according to the e-mails lerner thought it was inappropriate for unnamed group to to ever pay for grassley's wife to attend an event. lerner's suggestion was shot down. but it does give you some sense of her state of mind, doesn't it? house speaker john boehner today announced he plans to suit president over illegal and abusive use of executive orders. fox news has the latest. >> of the constitution makes it clear that a president's job is to faithfully execute the laws. and in my view, the president has not faithfully executed the laws. lou: fox news legal analyst says the lawsuit is dead on arrival. my next guest takes up the issue of a lawsuit against the president in his new book, "the people vs. barack obama," the criminal case against the oba administration, joining us tonight, editor at large of breitbart.com, ben shapiro, great to have you with us, ben. >> thanks. >> let's

remember that video, brailley did a lot more than just insult our great senator chuck grassley.ruce brailley told swrout of state trial lawyers that if they gave him money, he would be their voice in the united states senate. and let me tell you something. i won't be the voice of special interests. i will be the voice for you in the united states senate. [applause] and let me tell you what i'm going to do when i get there. i'm going to fight every single day to force our government to live within its means. and that starts with a balanced budget amendment. [applause] yes. in the iowa senate i helped lead the fight to pass the largest tax cut in iowa history. and working with our governor and lieutenant governor we forced government to live within its means. it's time to force washington o do the same. and that starts with repealing obamacare and replacing it with something that is a free market system that puts our patients first. in the senate i'll also fight for our men and women in uniform. they sacrificed -- [applause] they sacrificed so much and risked everything to protect

. >> we got senator grassley are involved. >> i tried it. >> have you contacted grassley?x months ago. >> go to the senator's office. >> i went to senator durbin. this is not something that can just happen. >> i know. but we have been through it. >> i have been undocumented since i was 12. there are thousands of storieses like mine. again, we're here. we want to be tax-paying citizens. we are tax-paying people. what do they do with us? this is what i want to talk about. >> so you haven't talked to grassley yet. >> i'm not protesting, no. so i'm going to stay. i'm not causing a ruckus. i'm asking a question. >> this is a man who owns the business. he's asked you to leave. let's walk toward the door. >> all right. >> i'll talk as we walk. >> you're a police officer? >> i am. >> i'm jose vargas. nice to meet you. >> there's a door right are over here. >> where is it? >> over this way. >> hafs a good question. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> what happens when i throw you out? >> you're throwing me out. it's a private business, you said. >> that's right. >> are you arrestin

senator grassley? >> before senator hatch, i'd like to put in the record that interviews that i spoke about in my last question to the secretary -- >> no problem. so ordered. thank you. senator hatch? >> well thank you, madam chairman. i appreciate you and all the difficulties in putting these matters together. i still remember resolving the agricultural component of the senate bill in your office under your direction. it was a very good job by you. mr. secretary, i commiserate with you. this is a tough job, and if anybody can do this right, i hope with all my heart that you can. it's also an impossible job in some ways because of the failure to -- the failure of congress to do what really needs to be done here. even then it's going to take a lot of effort on about everybody's part to resolve these problems. i share the concerns raised by senator grassley about the alarming increase in the number of unaccompanied alien children along the southwest borders. the administration is calling this a humanitar

can send ushow iowa a guy who disparages farming and disparages my friend, chuck grassley. i don't see how that is going to happen. [applause] i don't know about you, but i'm not so excited about the president freeing the taliban. i'm not so excited about the president saying somehow they are no longer a danger. i'm not so excited about hillary "oh, the taliban and of no danger to americans -- is of no danger to americans. oh i said the other day in texas that if this president likes to trade so much, we've got that marine on gun charges down in mexico. why don't we do a trade, but this time instead of trading the taliban, why don't we trade him five democrats? [applause] john kerry, hillary clinton, nancy pelosi -- i can come up with a list. but here is the funny thing about trying to tell a joke when you are in politics -- immediately, reporters are like, "seriously, and he just compared democrats to the taliban?" ,o we had to issue a correction so we sent out a tweet and said, "just kidding, except for loc -- ."losi i've got good news and bad news from washington. the go

senator grassley and i are friends of senator mcconnell and senator reid. we have been for years. i keep my baseball bat in my office. >> you never know when you might need it. >> please, go ahead, senator mcconnell. >> given how incredibly bad this supposed amendment is, i cannot blame my friend from wanting to talk about things like the koch brothers or what i may have said over a quarter of a century ago. i am going to confine my remarks to what is before us. i want to thank you for an outstanding observation about what the first amendment was supposed to be about. at the very core of it, political speech. americans understand how extraordinarily special the first amendment is. the exchange of ideas and the ability to criticize their government is necessary for democracy to survive. benjamin franklin noted "whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by some doing be freeness of speech." attempts to weaken the first amendment, such as the proposal before this committee, should pass the highest scrutiny. resolution 19 falls short of that high bar. it would empower

. >> kimberly this email about chuck grassley one of the worst things i have ever read.insane to refer it she a lawyer. this is her job. >> right. she is doing exactly what lawyers are not supposed to be doing. i mean, she is clearly on the hunt for deserve groups. i tell you what, it is infuriating to me that holder will not appoint a special prosecutor for this. it's absolutely ridiculous. and my problem here is he has made this a political issue. i have heard over and over and over that the conservatives are making this irs scandal the issue holder is making this a political issue. >> the president said it's phony so he is saying he is-hood and wink to the attorney general. >> this is not bologna. it's real and integrity of the irs is at stake. what i suggest is that they set up a hotline i think you are going to find there are a lot of individuals in the irs that would love to speakaéu3 out about what's going on they -- set up a hotline and you may get some information. >> i think the president go ahead and we have to go. >> not the think tank groups. it's the entire

lois lerner mistakenly received an invitation meant for senator charles grassley.he wife apparently offered to pay for his wife to attend an event. lerner suggested to a colleague the case be referred for examination, but her colleague shut the idea down. now lawmakers investigating the case, well, they want to know more. >> the fact is, we've got to dig down and get to the bottom of this whole scandal, and it's been like pulling teeth with the administration. and we are starting to get more documents, and we're going to keep the pressure on. >> and now for the first time house oversight committee chairman darrell issa is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate. >> this case calls for a true special, independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard documents and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> i love it when you bring in a special prosecutor. [laughter] right? one prosecutor to another. harris, i think i remember you saying that they should do this. >> yeah. you know what? you need

what do you make of this new development as it relates to senator grassley tonight that in fact they were targeting him? >> well, you know, that doesn't surprise me. nothing surprises me anymore. the irs scandal reminds me of those infomercials where they say wait, wait, there's more because every time you think you've heard it all, you hear something new, something outrageous that they have done. how about when we learned barely six weeks ago that the irs, lois lerner, had sent a database of 12,000 citizen groups to the fbi to go through and see about possible criminal prosecution of these citizens groups. look, we've had four commissioners of the irs or acting commissioners in a row who have trotted up to congress and lied. that's what they have done. they have made false statements. doug shulman when he was commissioner told the oversight commit they was no target of conservative groups. that a lie. steven miller who was the acting commissioner testified last may that there was nothing that the irs or he had done wrong. that was a lie. we had danny worfel dispatched by the obama w

in leading the charge to unfairly treat groups and of course, just the other day we got into the grassley situation where a rather obscure invitation arrives, and instead of forwarding it on to the senator, what does she do? she tries to turn it into a possible criminal prosecution, based on an invitation from a group. >> i want folks since you brought this up, senator grassley was ranking republican or chair for some time of the committee on the senate side that oversees the irs. the two knew each other. both got invited apparently to the same thing but their invitations got switched and she saw this unnamed group was offering to also pay for his wife. so she sends a message to another irs official that says well, it looked like they were inappropriately offering to pay for his wife, perhaps we should refer to exam, people that look at audits or look at information, and the reply was "i'm not sure we should send an exam. i think the offer to pay for xwrasley's wife is income to grassly and not prohibited on its face." she asked a question, it's answered, end of story. why is that so craz