gratz to that all right now let's back a little bit and talk to frank for maj were you surprised about this outcome the frankfurt out's burke you know outcome and do you think this hurts frankfurt's hold on the top four spots of course because nobody expected that they lose this game again but because it was struggling just the last game against hope and time but. yeah you do have to be careful because if something as if they're going through this way and maybe day one and lose the international position right and i think that's a keeper you know a condition for luke you know if it's as well you have a link to barcelona reality did another champions league you know berth will help encourage him to stay and max what about this year up a leak the t. do you think this is hurt this has hurt the i think certainly because it's the first league loss in the twenty nine season and they lost after the away game today in lisbon on thursday previously they won very narrowly against them back when they had a match away in milan and drew against. after a game in donetsk now when they play at home it

and we're back with gratz johnson former cyber criminal now cyber security expert who is now helping others to stay safe aligned brett i read a story about how you were teaching frot to the arian brotherhood when you were in prison i mean do you think the cyber criminals will live criminals are going to merge eventually and you know there will be no difference actually i think we are seeing that now now when i taught fraud or our how to commit fraud when i was in prison that was to remain safe i was i had to do that in order to to not be killed while i was in prison by various brotherhood or these other gangs that were around but what we see these days in cyber crime when i was so in gage and cyber crime you had to do you had this clear line separated physical crime from online crime you didn't have gentlemen that were engaged in both now that that's pretty much gone crimes today especially united states crimes today mix the two so today we've got people that will still mail from people's mail boxes once that mill is stolen they'll go ahead and go online and they'll try to pull the s