so we get to gravanis, there's nothing to gravanis compared to those things. the biggest issue with gravanis over the years, when i started in the early 90's is there was very little information out there and it was difficult to come up with consistent information. and i have dedicated a huge amount of my career to creating consistent information that we can take into court. this is kind of a good example because i have an hour to speak up here. anybody who has heard me speak knows an hour is not a whole lot of time for me. but when you good to court, you are going to be in the same situation. when i go to testify in court to take these guys to trial, your time is going to be very limited. in that time, you're going to have to go in there and present simple, understandable concepts as to what is the foundation of your case and you have to go in there and do that to educate the jury and to educate the judge. a lot of these people and the judge have never been in front and had to deal with a gravanis type case. the information should be consistent. you have defe

so we get to gravanis, there's nothing to gravanis compared to those things. the biggest issue with gravanis over the years, when i started in the early 90's is there was very little information out there and it was difficult to come up with consistent information. and i have dedicated a huge amount of my career to creating consistent information that we can take into court. this is kind of a good example because i have an hour to speak up here. anybody who has heard me speak knows an hour is not a wh

and so i ran an anti-gravanis, i hire 14, 15, 16-year-olds and we go out in the weekends to abate gravanis and i floated this idea to my kids, they are interns now, they're 20, i'm old. they wrote the 2000 verse, that lingo. >> we keep asking them, if that doesn't sound right, give me a g-rated version that we can take to the schools. >> the new answers are so great. >> it's like jimi hendrix. never the same way twice. >> a lot of organic happenings back in the 70's. >> in response to the high school, going after high school, i think that that is a great idea. i remember high school. >> yeah, me too. >> it wasn't that long ago for me and i remember not caring. it's not that i didn't understand the message but it was that i didn't care enough that the message went right over my head and through my ears. elementary school kids don't do that. believe it or not they will pause and they will cry. and middle school. you guys know that. they understand, the message sinks in. i do encourage lots of communities it try and take it to their high schoolers and i don't mind being pointed out and booed

and so i ran an anti-gravanis, i hire 14, 15, 16-year-olds and we go out in the weekends to abate gravanis and i floated this idea to my kids, they are interns now, they're 20, i'm old. they wrote the 2000 verse, that lingo. >> we keep asking them, if that doesn't sound right, give me a g-rated version that we can take to the schools. >> the new answers are so great.

. >> our personal on gravanis, the whole thing is it's permission based. now, i know a lot of artists go out there and do gravanis art with permission, murals, commissioned art. for us that's not a big deal. there are a lot of murals in sacramento and san francisco that is all permission based. for us, we're kind of a sdae zero tolerance city in sacramento. you go out and you vandalize something, that's a crime. that's how we view that in our city. >> i tell them it's art, you got to express yourself but you cannot damage other people's property. i usually say how many of you have a little brother or sister, you don't want to teach them to steal. how do you feel when they mess up your stuff? that's how i approach it. >> also we try to leave that at the end where tibo, played by anthony over here, that's basically how the character evolves throughout the play, being this leader of this crew and, you know, he kind of teaches everybody but says, yeah, you have a leader but i ain't going to do what you are going to do. robert over here who plays damage, he's t

so over the years we developed 5 types of gravanis. now there are a lot of ways to categorize gravanis. you might be looking historically and looking at old school new school stuff, geographically, east coast versus west coast stuff, but this is easy to articulate in court and we can explain exactly what we've got and what we haven't got. we're going to talk about each one of these individually. you've got communicative, you've got hate, you got gang, tagger, art's in there and then i used to just kind of glass off this one called anomaly. i don't consider it one of the five major forms of gravanis for prosecution but it's important that it's there because it allows you to classify all gravanis in one way or another. ... >> going to get started with the award. we put out word to please recommend people for awards for graffiti fighters, whether it be volunteers programs, groups, whatever. and we got quite a few different people who recommended people. so, first i'd like to bring up dr. valerie spicer who will be -- [cheering and applaud