and lisa you found this website, the world's biggest data breeches selected losses greaten than 30,000, this is 145 million on ebay. adobe, 152, look at these names, chase, target this is terrifying business hacks. so we are talking about hacks we have had you on the show before. they can really threatened lives, good hackers and bad hackers, they are called this white hat and the black hat hackers how can they be used by the government and private companies to make sure something like this never happens again i think basically admit to ourselves that rewitness good at cyber security, and there's a lot of reasons but i think a lot stem from how executives approach this program. and honestly, a lot of them are not considered meres to the other executives they work with, so i don't know if an event like sony will raise the importance of information security within an organization. hopefully raise the importance of someone like a chief information security officer but if you don't have buy in from the top, you won't be able to execute any. i am sure if we talk to the folks doing security