of the sioux, he knew daniel o'connell, the man who freed the catholics in ireland, he knew horace greeley. so how could this giant stride three continue innocents and -- continents and have him disappear? he was flawed as well as brilliant. >> one line just jumped out at me at the beginning of your book, and that is to be irish in ire was to live in a land -- liarland was to -- ireland was to live in a land that was not your own. >> meagher was born in 1823, pre-victorian ireland. and it's, they're getting into probably the 700th year of being under the english boot heel. and you have to understand, i saw all these parallels later, what we now call ethnic cleansing, what we now call apartheid. and in the famine what we now call genocide. none of those terms were around. all of those were applied to the irish. so for almost 700 years it was, essentially, a crime to be irish. they took away their land, they outlawed their religion, they outlawed their language, spoken by a majority of the people. they outlawed their sport, hurling. the first thing the irish did when they moved to newfoundla