i was elected democratically by the local people of, of greenhithe and swanscombe, and that democraticdate gives me permission to do what they are asking. this proposal by the labour party would take democracy out of the hands of the local people, and it would put it in the hands of bureaucrats. it would put it in the hands of people that don't care or have any interest in local issues. and looking at some of these proposals, the wider development powers, this would give labour permission to, pardon the pun, bulldoze planning permissions through to build more housing estates and are already already overpopulated. area of dartford and kent. and to me that's just riding roughshod over democracy andifs riding roughshod over democracy and it's taking democracy away from the people and that's the problem we've got at the moment. >> but thomas, it was the labour party. in fact, it was dame harriet harman who at the weekend said that the enemy of democracy is the reform party. but isn't it true to say that a bigger net deficit of democracy would be the conservative party? a lot of these a lot