would work with them by the people second by serving on boards of environmental groups including greenpeace africa but the truth is. i got the call from lead peace when i was. on the nineteenth day off a hunger strike to put pressure on my government in south africa to change its support for the occasion shipped him off robert mugabe in zimbabwe. so the call comes that i say to folks reg somebody on it but the timing is really bad just me the water from nineteen days ago at a big such a big choice but that evening my daughter. was fourteen it was forty that i called from the from the u.k. she had seen me on b.b.c. and she thought it was like looking a bit skeletal so she corset why are you still doing interviews and so on. i'm getting so why do you do it so you look so good and then i said oh darling very holy spirit speaking to you and i spoke to the folks from greenpeace and she said. what they want to see with the birth of the talk about the strobe and support you say bad timing is that i won't talk to you. every game if you don't get me see this to consider this when you finish a strip of hung

greenpeace international community do you mean. we talked in the first segment about your own personal history in south africa and as. an activist and leader in in a movement against and i just apartheid but unrighteousness or or i lack a word you know. why greenpeace how does that translate into greenpeace. know someone who was at least worked what they have volunteered me up with the set up and see if an eagle political parties are prepared for the missions. in the course of the process that you could vote in the freedom struggle was one thing but preparing for thought politics was something quite different and i decided to stay out of the civil society to play in the g.'s and to actually. adult education and nonprofit work and work in the nonprofit work to strengthen civil society and also try to define the relationship between civil society and democratic government because about most of our personal friends although in the cabinet i had so we evolve the cold critical solidarity you know that we and so to have people does that will create a government but we want civil society to be able to have the space to be. s