the last guessed that we had reached a guy was watching the previous half hour in the greenroom. they talked about our policy in the middle east. if you think about it, most of the policies are determined in washington. the u.n. does not determine what our foreign policy is. it does not determine our economic policy domestically. it does not determine how we deal with china or others. we determine that. what beijing does has little to do with what the u.n. says it should do. conservatives like to use the jargon that is not helpful. host: here is a tweed question. does your guests think obama should get certain things down to size? such as the defense budget. guest: it requires certainty that it can accomplish its mission. all government programs, large corporations, universities have a lot of waste. it is the nature of bureaucracy. unfortunately, when it comes to building of the military, i am with barack obama on that, although i do not agree with some specifics of his policy. i am not a defense expert. host: we have someone else on the line. good morning. caller: can you hear m

we were having a conversation about this in the greenroom. there are a lot of primary colors are around this place. it seems to me that this is not just a security issue, but a competitive tennis -- competitiveness issue. we are not producing enough security talent, and development talent that we need to ensure the economic viability of our key private sector players. and for their security and the security of our country. we have to revamp how we do this, starting early on. catching people when they're five or six years old and getting them excited about the possibilities of going into this space. years ago, you'd have kids out there with their mom's or dad's working on the engine of a car. you have got to get people excited. there is security education early on. when they're in college, if they're taught how to do i.t., they get the security fundamentals. once they graduate and go into the workforce they get mechanisms that have career paths. you are not stuck as a security guy. you can go up to the political ranks as a security professiona

usually in the greenroom, i would tell our guests about having a dialogue and answer -- and answer the questions. i told phil, i will not reach you on how to work an audience. i learned from watching you on television. that was a rare moment. he was a master. he produced a documentary. he came out and what he did with the audience -- i wish i could have taken notes. in the aftermath of 9/11, there was a close-up program called "running after danger." you remember that program. tell us about this next clip. >> what we are about to see is an associated press photographer named richard drew telling the story of one of the most disturbing photographs published in the aftermath of 9/11. it is a photograph that, out of respect for people's sensitivity, a few newspapers publish any more. i will warn the audience that you are about to see it again. this is richard drew telling the story of his photograph from 9/11. >> this is disturbing subject matter. this is one of the most got reject a wrenching scenes was of that day. white cells with the says barry >> >> this is a pastry chef at the windo