greenville north carolina. your point of view on this. >> caller: my point of view is -- thank you for taking my call. i'm very concerned because this is a good thing they have proposed. where we stand right now in america, everybody's job is up in thest air. they have artie been to school for work. there is no work. they have to be creative and start with something i knew. why can't everybody start on the same page and just reach out and help onean another? even people come from other countries get help. you don't expect to pay back. let's help each other. let's help these young people to get a fresh start. thank you very much. >> host: carmel new york your view on this. >> caller: yes. i supported idea of forgiving loans but i think we should do it inhi a way for me how to fix this problem. one of the ways i think we could fix this is if we allow students who are struggling to declare bankruptcy. if weug do that, banking institutions are loaded the so-called kind of free money because the way these loans is l

. >> so director, we spoke to former greenville, north carolina police chief hasan aden about the videos comment was that officer reardon gave verbal commands to makhia for her to stop, just as he lunged with a knife at a second victim. his view is the deescalation did not appear to be a viable option, that he was faced with an immediate deadly force situation. that he understands how this happened because he -- there could be death to the second assault victim if he had not acted. let me just ask you, director. i know there's a lot we do not know, but do you think this incident is different from other police involved shootings that we have seen recently around the country or not? >> well, i think that technically and intellectually, it's likely different than some of the others where there was an unarmed black person that was killed, lethal force was used on them. but it does not help with the hurt and pain, because this was a teenage child. and it just hurt. it's devastating. it's a tragedy, no matter how you analyze it. >> it certainly is. it's poignantly sad. thank you very much, di

includes public loan forgiveness by the federal government, -- brenda is joining us from greenville, north carolinaoint of view on this? caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm very concerned. this is something they have opposed. where we stand in america, everybody's job is up in the air. they have already been to school for work, there is no work. they have to start with something new. why can't everyone start on the same page and reach out and help one another? there are people from other countries in debt. [indiscernible] let's help each other. let's help these young people get a fresh start. thank you very much. host: thank you, brenda. matt joining us from carmel, new york. -- caller: i support the idea of forgiving the loans, but i think we should approach this in a way, we have to fix this problem. one of the ways i think we could fix it is we have the students that are struggling to declare bankruptcy. if we do this we are allowing this so-called kind of free money because the way the loan is like free money, it would be better as to how to the students are going to be able to repay the

north carolina, the home of fort bragg and the 82nd airborne. my father is from lumberton, north carolina my mother is from greenville, south carolina. i enjoyed reading your book," blessed experiences." one of the things at the beginning you say is that you would have actually [indiscernible] there was something special about being an african-american from the south and the time you grew up in and doing the work you did. you have had a storied history as an activist on the street, in boardrooms and the national legislation -- legislature. what would you add is the next chapter to your book? >> thank you very much for having me and thanks to all who are participating this evening for allowing me the opportunity to spend some time with you. to answer your question, if i were going to write another chapter, i would probably would entitle it " the more things change, the more they stay the same." my first meeting with john lewis and it was also the weekend of the assassination of martin luther king jr.. that was the weekend of our tober 14 or 15, 19 60 took place on the campus of morehouse college. it was at a time when people don't tal