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and the attorney general here in texas, greg abbott, said today, this is very much an ongoing investigationit for as long as i have, i hope that everybody sort of wakes up and recognizes that these are chronic and systematic abuses. and when the cameras go away and the satellite trucks go away, the guys will go back. and gary's right. i met some of the smartest, nicest people inside that community. but they have a real bad leadership. and they have always had bad leaders. i don't think there was a nuance or an utterance in that court that was new. this stuff has been going on for years. and hopefully, we have reached critical mass and people are going to start holding these men accountable. >> gary, you know, we've watched you over the years being chased off their territory. having doors slammed in your face. what did you think when you heard the verdict? >> no prize about the verdict. the surprise was that he represented himself and he came off looking very foolish and stupid. i mean, the fact is, when you represent yourself and all you keep saying over again -- it was like watching the mo

one of the things that is interesting when you take the rhetoric we saw from greg abbott and also thesprinkled throughout the 11th circuit majority opinion itself, there's a misconception that the founders gave us this very limited central government it we tried that in the preconstitutional articles of confederation. it was a major failure. so much so that george washington suggested that it nearly cost americans victory in the revolutionary war. when you look at the constitution's texan history as judge -- ruling upholding this mandate you see congress has very broad and substantial powers. with the modern reality of our health care system the affordable care act fits within those powers. >> shannon: [ unintelligible ] the commerce clause critics say have been stretched beyond what it was intended to do. how do you answer those who say, if the government can force to you buy health insurance they can force to you buy ly or anything else? absolutely -- to buy broccoli or anything else? >> absolutely not. these are baseless. the constitution provides the limits to federal power. to sa

my boss, attorney general greg abbott, the finest attorney general in all 50 states -- [applause] hadtancy we were going to fight. and our governor, rick perry, had no hesitancy we were going to fight. [applause] i had the honor of arguing this case twice before the u.s. supreme court. on the other side were 90 foreign nations and also, sadly, on the other side was the president of the unite. president of the united states. the president had signed a two paragraph order that attempted to order the state courts to obey the world's court. so texas stood up, we fought the world court. we fought the united nations. we fought 90 foreign nations, and we fought the president of the united states. [applause] we defended u.s. sovereignty, and we won 6-3! [cheers and applause] you know, a lot of political candidates talk about american exceptionalism, but the men and women in this room, american exceptionalism isn't something we learned in a textbook. it's something we know there our lives and our families. let me tell you a little bit about my family background. my dad is from cuba. he was bor