we have been talking with greg berquist with united methodist church . tell me what does it mean to be a superintendent? >> in my case it is to be in relationship with pastors and churches all over northern california and most of nevada to help them think about how we make ourselves more relevant , or relevant once again to society. in particular i function around issues of leadership development. if you know about the literature in the leadership at all , we've made a shift from competency training to other training we talk about as leadership development . we have to talk about the capacity of the leader . >> host: and that transcends religion ? >> yes, it does. much of what i have learned in leadership i learned when i was working at procter & gamble. i have taken that and i have stayed on top of that and translated it an abridged it for the church. as an institutional leadership, there is a crossover. >> yes , when you say the capacity to develop , what changes in leadership do you focus on now ? >> there is several things . there is a lot of talk ab