> know of him, probably all, but know who he is and what he was about, i'd say few. >> professor greg carr lucas turner owens is with me. 50 years after the civil right act and so much disappointment, is it a malcolm time again. lucas, you were hearing the professor talk about a difference in approach, difference in opinion, of the various civil rights groups. do you have strategy sessions, talking about what kind of approach is needed today. >> we do. i'm in a room of a few friend who read the new jim crow, impassioned to say you have to do something. we had an approach saying we had to march and hand out pamphlets. we wanted it to feel radical. since then we partnered with other groups, hosts of the non-profits with different strategies to find we can achieve more together. >> i wanted to ask you about respectability politics. i hear from young people who are tired of the old heads complaining about their clothes, their hair, music, and staying, in effect, you have to come to the society with clean hanth before you ask for the do. that's derided, dismissed. but when i think about malcolm

people like greg carr worked on that textbook. one of the things historians have to do, even if it's not your discipline, we should be collectively as a unit making the case that african-american history has to be taught in high school, so that by the time our students are coming to us, they have at least had one or more units of african-american history. >> i would like to take this opportunity to make a pitch for outhistory.org, which is a website i work on with my colleague jonathan amelio, one of the original activists in our community. the site was founded by jonathan that katz, who wrote the first book called "gay american history," which itself was an act of public intellectual work. in a broader sense, i would like to make a pitch for digital humanities, which can get primary sources, teaching materials, short, critical essays biographies chronologies. this is the kind of work out history does. you can do it for any field. it often gives teachers and under resourced districts materials they can work with that they wouldn't

greg, you're up. trisha wants to know please share some thoughts about david carr. >> david carr is a great media reporter for the "new york times" who i knew for about 15 years. passed away yesterday. was quite a character. one of the most interesting people that i've ever met. in every iteration of my career i got in trouble he was there on a bicycle smoking a cigarette -- he actually flew to london when i was at maxim and watched that downfall. he always seems to show up after i implode and writes about it. he was such an interesting person. and everybody in media loved him even if -- like he wasn't a fan of the work i did, but it really didn't matter. he was a fan of interesting things. the only reason -- i mean he's the only thing i read in "new york times." >> sounds like he did his job because he wasn't supposed to be a fan. >> yeah. he was biased but he was true. >> yeah. >> i guess. >> all right. very sad. >> he'll be missed. >> from judy m. for me andrea have you ever dated a liberal democrat? and did you try and reform him? bob's laughing because no, i have not. although -- >> you sure? >> i tw