for more on this, i spoke to greg crowder, who use director of programs at the mines advisory group, which helps train ukrainians to spots and remove mines. i asked him to put the proliferation of minds in ukraine into perspective. yeah, and that's all. thank you for having me and focusing on an important issue. um, you know, there was a period of time with mines you personalize, particularly were being used extensively and a number of civil was around places like i go there. and number the, during the 19 seventy's and eighty's, early ninety's, which led to the, to the, to the mind boundary to you, i was my, was a found a member. and, and since then, we have seen a decreasing the amounts of, of, of unsurpassed, unknown minds to being used in this context. in this world we've, we've, we've, we know that this really an extensive use and assigned to pass that on to tank lines. huge barrier mine fields being late along a very, very long uh, front line and uh, something that will take unfortunately when we compare it to similar line sales, which a much less deep and much less long, but ha