>> of course like greg feely says, there is an ongoing operation against these jihaddist. in indonesia it's the police in charge of dealing with this terrorism. and of course, scores of them were killed by the police, shot to death. and vice versa, they also attack a police station, they also blew up a mosque inside the police station a few years ago. it is not surprise that go they also target the police. >> what concerns you -- with something like this happening, what concerns you about jakarta, about indonesia going forward now? >> what would concern me is if people are scared. if people do fear about this bombing, this is not a fair comparison, but more than 1,000 died because of motorcycle accidents all over i want niche arc mostly? jakarta, so six, of course, it is a major concern that they died in this attack, but the number it is a fact of life. it is smaller. much smaller than traffic accident. it is much smaller than, again not fair, malaria or lung cancer because of speaking. i want niche ans love smoking so much. so we have to move forward from this because it'

greg feely is from the australian national university. good to have you here on al jazeera, mr.ly. what is your reading of the events still ongoing still unfolding in en indonesia. >> one of the things about this which makes it a bit different from some of the preceding attacks was the fact that there were multiple targets and those targets i think were attempting -- the targeting was aiming to address a number of audience says, one of them was most obviously as your previous speaker said the police themselves. not just the count or terrorism police but in fact several dozen police have been victims. although the main -- the group that is most octobered to by the i didn't ahead assists are the counter terrorism police they have cut down have been ordinary police officers. in addition to the police there have been this series of attacks is also aimed i think at instilling a sense of fear in the ex-pat community. using department stores such as serena and coffee shops such as starbucks, it's also an upper middle class area for upper middle class jakartans and we have international

over to greg feely from the australian national university. he joins us via skype.hat about the security situation here? it seems as if there were several warnings over christmas and the new year. there was a warning ahead of this particular attack. do you think the finger points at indonesian security services for allowing this to happen? >> i think, in fact, the reverse is true. the indonesian security services, especially police, have an excellent record, one of the best records for counter-troughism in the world-- terrorism in the world, more than 1200 people, more than 600 prosecuted and jailed, and they have done this without resort to any kind of extreme actions, such as setting up guantanamo bay-style services. in this particular field, they have been remarkably successful and i don't think any country in country in the world, any police service or security service could confidently claim they could eliminate the issue of terrorism. particularly when people are engaging in suicide bombings. they have thwarted many dozens of operations. so i wouldn't be blami