>> there is greg lemond calling. >> greg who? >> greg lemond. >> hi, greg, how are you?u doing? >> doing well. >> greg lemond. >> greg lemond was a three-time winner of the tour de france who insisted he never took drugs. >> greg lemond -- >> lemond had fallen out with lance armstrong whom he suspected of doping. and in 2004, he and stephanie mcilvain spoke frankly about what occurred in the hospital. >> i heard from a source outside of the group here of what happened at the hospital and betsy and i have talked a little bit. but -- and i'm not asking you to do anything you would never want to do. but, you know, if i did get down to where it was a lawsuit, would you be willing to testify or -- >> if i was subpoenaed, i would. >> yeah. >> because i'm not going to lie. you know, i was in that room, i heard it. >> what stephanie mcilvain didn't know was that greg lemond was secretly recording their conversation. >> lance armstrong's lawyers immediately backed off this issue and we presented to the panel that mcilvain had told two different stories about what happened in the

but i remember greg lemond. he had an incredible story. he was an incredible competitor after lance armstrong and lance armstrong, as betty said, went after greg lemond. do you think lance armstrong gets it, bill? >> i think he gets that he should get it, and i think what we're seeing here is he's really struggling with it. what's interesting to me is there's sort of parallel views of this going on. there's a lot of people who are skeptical, but i was reading all the reactions today from jonathan and tyler hamilton and frankie. they have all acknowledged how hard it is just to do what he's done, and frankie in a report today was saying until you sit down and start talking to usada, you don't know how hard that is. the people who are there and made the mistakes he did in a smaller way, they seem to have more empathy for him than everyone else. interesting. >> oprah asked about paying off allegations that he attempted to pay off usada or somebody in his world attempted to pay off usada. let's listen to what he sai

the wife of three-time tour de france winner greg lemond said, quote, i can't describe to you the level of fear he brings to a family, other than to liken it to a drunken, alcoholic, abusive spouse who gets out of jail with a bouquet of roses for his bloodied spouse saying, here, i'm sorry i did that. betsy andreu, the wife of former teammate frankie andreu who testified she heard armstrong admit to doping. for years armstrong buried her in insults calling her crazy and burying her husband's career. armstrong said he couldn't talk about much of that conversation. >> i think she'd be okay with me saying this, but i'll take the liberty of saying and say, listen, i called you crazy, i kald you a bitch and i called you all these things, but i never talked you fat. >> talking about digging the hole deeper. well, lance, betsy andreu is definitely not okay with that. >> this is a guy who used to be my friend who decimated he. he could have come clean. he owed it to me. he owes it to the sport that he destroyed. >> but it's not just about the sport armstrong may have destroyed, it's about the l

the same with greg lemond and others. depending on what he said about them publically and some of the things he said in my lawsuit, those individuals may have valid complains. we were one of the biggest targets of mr. armstrong's venom and were called all sorts of names and liars throughout the course of our case. >> and i should let our viewers know, in those bonus payments that your -- who you represent is the insurance company that paid out those bonuses for the yellow jersey wins, you did not sue him. he sued you. he sued you to get the money. it's even more -- just strident in his behavior. >> we questioned in light of his sixth win, we questioned whether or not some of the allegations being thrown about him were true or not. and instead of getting answers we got a lawsuit against us. as it turns out, the information we gathered in connection with that investigation which was mostly put together by david walsh, the british journalist, all turned out to be true and formed the bull work of the usada recent decision tha

frankie andreu said armstrong was clearly upset at lemond's comments and in an affidavit andreu said, "i recall lance saying words to the effect of who does greg think he is talking about ferrari? i'm going to take him down." and he did. armstrong had great influence with the bike sponsor trek, which dropped its support of the lemond brand, damaging lemond's bike business. armstrong also intimidated his critics and rivals during competition. in the 2004 tour de france armstrong comfortably held the race's overall lead but surprised everyone when he chased down felipo simioni. why? turned out it was only to punish simioni to prove a point. simioni had crossed armstrong in the past by testifying against dr. ferrari about doping. armstrong publicly called simioni a liar and told him privately he could "destroy him." after catching him this gesture from armstrong during the race was widely seen to be directed toward simioni. a warning to stay silent. former teammate tyler hamilton followed a code of silence and lied about doping until this "60 minutes" interview in 2011. >> you saw lance armstrong inject bpo? >> yeah. like we all did. like i did m

. >> reporter: before lance armstrong greg lemond was the most famous american cyclist, but when lemond questioned armstrong's close ties to the controversial italian doctor ferrari, a man banned in cycling in italy and the u.s. anti-doping agency, armstrong worked to get trek to drop lemond's brand. >> he's not somebody i want even to put energy into to be honest. he has his own issues, own problems that he'll have to deal with. >> reporter: then there is the story of frankie and betsy andreu, once dear friends of lance armstrong, but when the couple refused to keep up the myth of lance, they say armstrong turned on them, calling them bitter, vindictive and jealous. in 2008, betsy andreu says she got this voice mail from a friend of armstrong's which she provided to the new york "daily news," here's part of it. >> i also hope that one day you can have meaning to your life and you have some type of tragedy. pathetic, betsy, i thought you were a better person than that. >> reporter: lance armstrong's fiercest critics say he would do anything to protect himself. in the end it wasn't all a

did she ask him on what role he had with greg lemond's bikecle. >> he didn't want to sit down with davidalsh, you know, and answer, you know, a lifetime of david walsh's questions about the doping. clearly he wanted, you know, a venue where he felt comfortable and he had been on oprah before, as has been pointed out. there's still more of this interview i want to show and we want to talk about. we have a quick break. another breaking story, the death of an american in algeria. we have details and that's coming up. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. [ male announcer ] end your long week... w

anti-doping agency, armstrong worked to get the bike company trek to drop greg lemond's brand. >> he'sot someone i want to even put energy into, to be honest. he has his own problems, own issues to deal with. >> reporter: then there's the story of franky and betsey andrew. when the couple refused to keep up the mystery of lance, he turned on them. in 2008, betsey says she got this voice mail from a friend of armstrong's, which she provided to the "new york daily news." here's part of it. >> i hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head. but i also hope that one day you will have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy. it's pathetic, betsey. i thought you were a better person than that." >> lance armstrong's fiercest critics say he would do anything to protect himself. in the end, it wasn't all about the bike, like his book proclaimed. it might just be all about the glory. >> buzz bissinger is the author of "friday night lights" and a contributor for "newsweek" and the daily beast. and last august, he wrote the cover story for "newsweek" entitled, "i still belie

nice to get some apologies, a lot of apologies privately and publicly, from him to people like greg lemond and frankie and bessey and drau and many, many others. the list is very long. i don't have any anger. what i have right now is a lot of hope for the sport of cycling and the future of cycling, which is in distress right now because of his actions. >> let me ask you, though, because of his actions, you know about that thousand page usada report, when the news broke they were stripping him of his seven tour de france titles and not only in this report did it say armstrong used, but that he also gave these performance enhancing drugs to his teammates. and basically saying, look, if you didn't juice, you're out. paul, i just have to ask, did you ever juice? >> no. no. i was an athlete who got pushed out by all of that. so really bothers me when i hear people say, always a level playing field, they're trying to justify this in any way, and really people who don't have a background in sports or didn't try to actually mackke a livingt it might want to express that point of view, but that's r