in your view greg lukianoff s. presidency of the of the foundation for individual rights and expression should students be allowed to protest on college campuses and say out loud from the sea to the river. >> from the river to the sea. and just in the argument that is a call for genocide that there was an interesting article with someone asking students if they knew what that meant and showedb a map. once they saw that meant israel wiped off the map they started to -- so from a first amendment standpoint there's no question from the river to the sea isnt protected however any speech including that in certain contexts can be threats. it can be discriminatory harassment incitement of violence under specificn circumstances. shouting at the thought of her example or is it by itself protected absolutely? you your pelot degree from stanford and where to stanford rates? >> stanford did not do great. he was in the bottom half. i have a little bit of hope for stanford though because jenny martinez the f former dean of te st

greg lukianoff?: it is funny to see on campus among the scholars arguing that essentially if something happens on fox news it cannot be true. this is part of what we call, in the canceling of american mind, a way to not address the argument of the other side. even an article saying that people who believe cancel culture israel is not just right-wingers but the confederates, completely saying that cancel culture is just a right wing myth, production of fox news. meanwhile, i am more left-leaning. there was a time when pretty much the only outputs that would take the issue of free speech on campus seriously, despite trying to get these in more left-leaning outlets, was fox news and the other conservative media. there seems to be, among some on the left, you shouldn't have done those outlets. my job is to get the message out. if you don't want to hear me, i will talk to people who are. there has been a serious free-speech problem on campus in particular for a long time now. host: when did it begin? has

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greg lukianoff , um, has came.written the best book on this subject that i've read. you co—wrote it with jonathan haidt. wonderful author. it's called the coddling of the american mind, and it's the most interesting thing i've read on all this stuff. but what i'm fascinated by is that it all started with you having a severe depression . depression. >> yes. >> yes. >> so tell the tale . >> so tell the tale. >> so tell the tale. >> well, in two thousand and seven, i got so depressed i had to be hospitalised as a danger to be hospitalised as a danger to myself . um, and to be hospitalised as a danger to myself. um, and in to be hospitalised as a danger to myself . um, and in the to myself. um, and in the process of recovering the next yeanl process of recovering the next year, i studied cognitive behavioural therapy . and behavioural therapy. and cognitive behavioural therapy is something that teaches you to talk back to your your own exaggerated thoughts to when you're when you hear the voices in your head, you argue

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greg i'm so grateful that you came greg lukianoff um has co—written the best book on this subject thatco—wrote it with jonathan haidt, one author. it's called the coddling of the american mind , and it's the most mind, and it's the most interesting thing i've read on all this stuff . but what i'm all this stuff. but what i'm fascinated by is that it all started with you having a severe depression . ian. depression. ian. >> yes. >> yes. >> so tell the tale. >> so tell the tale. >> well, in two thousand and seven, i got so depressed i had to be hospitalised as a danger to be hospitalised as a danger to myself . to myself. >> and in the process of recovering the next year , i recovering the next year, i studied cognitive behavioural therapy and cognitive behavioural therapy is something that teaches you to talk back to your your own exaggerated thoughts to when you're when you hear the voices in your head, you argue with them exactly. when you're catastrophizing, you call it out. >> so catastrophizing means what? >> that you're just thinking everything is going to be a catastrophe . catas

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on colle campuses and last week's congressional hearings with author and free speech advocate greg lukianoff

host: joining us now is greg lukianoff, president and ceo of an organization called the foundation for individual rights and expression, used to be called the foundation for individual rights in education. we have been talking this morning about the intersection of free speech and college campuses, censorship. guest: that is in the news? [laughter] host: congressional hearings, college presidents resigning. one of the things that we learned this morning is your organization rated harvard 248th in free speech out of 248. why did they get a reading, what were the criteria? guest: it is funny because harvard initially responded like this was our guest. no, it is based on the largest survey of opinion of freedom of speech, plus student cancellations, teacher cancellations, and when we put it together, harvard got the only negative score in f.i.r.e. 's history, so it really earned its last-place. host: you looked at teacher cancellation? professor cancellation? what does that mean? guest: if someone is suspended for their speech, if a tenured professor is fired for their speech, that is big