and greg miller, a correspondent who cowrote today's front story. eg, we got to start with you this. is so complete a statement that it just rocks me. to say in this breathtaking claim or report the senate committee is saying basically that torture never helped us. is that a fair statement? >> yeah, i think that's their bottom line conclusion, that there is just really no evidence looking at these millions of cia internal records that using enhanced interrogation methods ever produced any sort of intelligence breakthrough that was of significant and -- significant value and couldn't have been obtained through other means. >> well, what's the motive for lying here? what is the motive for saying it does work, it did work? >> well, you know, as we said in a story today, one of the things the committee avoids doing is trying to assign motives. but institutionally, you can guess that the agency, you know, at the time that it set this program up, set these prisons up, it was under a ton of pressure, and there was a lot of concern that there was another wav

we examine the details now with greg miller of the washington post. greg miller, welcome. the "newshour" received a statement from the c.i.a. a short time ago saying they are not going to respond to this report in "the washington post" until they get a final copy of the study from the intelligence committee. having said that, 6300-page report, why was the senate intelligence committee conducting this kind of study of the c.i.a.? >> well, this all started a number of years ago, now, and launched largely because there was a debate at the outset of the obama administration when obama was dismantling this program about whether it worked. i mean, there were always sort of different categories of debate about this program -- was it moral, legal, and a question of was it effective. a lot of defenders of the program said after 9/11 we didn't have a choice but to take extreme measures, and it worked, saved lives and prevented attacks. so senator feinstein, the chairman of the intelligence committee, made it a first job to zero in on the question, is it true? did it work? what did t

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detainees before they were expose today waterboarding and other harsh measures for more, i am joined by greg miller for the washington post who co-authored the exclusive. we have seen stories see xwufrninging the cia's enhanced interrogation program as being brutal and ineffective. >> this is by far the most comprehensive and detailed account of that program. yet. this was -- this is regarded by many as one of the darker and more controversial chapters in the cia history and the senate committee has been examining this, pouring over millions of classified cia cables and other files for years now assembly bling this report. this is the first real glimpse of what's contained in this document. >> the agency did have permission to use 10 techniques including sleep deprivation, stress positions and waterboarding on the al-qaeda prisoners. the report says they used some brutal methods that they withheld from con congress? >> right. there are details in the report about cases in afghanistan where prisoners were dunked and held under ice baths basically and the agency has maintained that it only waterboard

. >> joining me now is "washington post" intelligence reporter greg miller who covered this story.e details, how surprised were you seeing that interaction? snowden on this large tv screen in this conference and putin talking directly to him. kind of had to make you go, okay. >> that was surprising at first. after, you think, this was probably an opportunity that putin just couldn't pass up, you know. >> yeah, okay. well, from what you know, is president putin telling the truth? is there no widespread surveillance in russia? >> no, that's not true. i mean, that's been documented over and over again for years and years, well after the dissolution of the soviet union, the surveillance and extent of surveillance in russia continues to be quite extreme. so, i mean, he -- his answers were a bit evasive and i think most experts would be -- would say almost wholly untruthful. >> okay. in that guardian column, snowden argued he has no sworn allegiance to russia. the quote being, i regret my question could be misinterpreted. in order to speculate about my motives for asking it. then he also

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miller, and emery. he has successfully argued cases before the supreme court. greg, i wonder if you could start us off and explain what is at stake. what are they are doing right now at the supreme court? -- and they argued today it was about an hour long -- was is infringing the rights of the broadcasters when it uses those little antennas that we sought to capture the signal and sends it to the says that it aereo is the customers that are supplying the equivalent. it is just like an antenna and we are not violating the broadcasters. definings a matter of what is public and what is private? >> this gives lawyering a bad name. this is no different than cable television or satellite television. 's businessaereo model is what it is and that it is cheaper than satellite or note is that they are paying royalties. the average cable or satellite company has to payroll fees on what they are retransmitting. aereo is not. we will see what happens in the supreme court, but i believe, ultimately, the broadcasters will prevail. >> michael, you must have a response to that. >> i

miller, and emery. he has successfully argued cases before the supreme court. greg, i wonder if you could start us off and explain what is at stake. what are they are doing right now at the supreme court? >> what they argued today -- and it was about an hour long -- was whether aereo is infringing the rights of the broadcasters when it uses those little antennas that we sought to capture the signal and sends it to the customers and aereo says that it is the customers that are supplying the equivalent. it is just like an antenna and we are not violating the broadcasters' copyrights. >> is this a matter of defining what is public and what is private? >> yes. this gives lawyering a bad name. this is no different than cable television or satellite television. the reason aereo's business model is what it is and that it is cheaper than satellite or cable is that they are not paying royalties. the average cable or satellite company has to payroll fees on rolaties on what they are retransmitting. aereo is not. we will see what happens in the supreme court, but i believe, ul