joining me now is kansas gubernatorial candidate, greg orman. e an independent and ran a close race for the senate in 2014, lost to pat roberts. you didn't beat, you didn't lose to the evangelical leader, greg, i stumble on that. your back reacted to the news of steve schmidt. >> we have seen a lot of high profile defections from the republican party, but, frankly, they are lagging indicators, not leading indicators. you mentioned you left the party in 2010. the fact is, americans have been leaving both parties in droves, really since 1998. they are doing it for a range of reasons. most notably, because this system of government just isn't working for them. you know, the average american household hasn't seen a pay increase since 1999. think about that. the amount of time it takes a child to go from being born to graduating from high school, that's how long it's been sinls the average american has seen household income go up. so, obviously, they are dissatisfied with both parties and reacting with their feet. >> there are some who will look at yo