i am elizabeth he candale with me is pastor greg schaefer. involved and with campus ministry at stanford university. but it's wider than just stanford because you've congregation. >> right. >> at university lutheran and palo alto. and tell us a bit about congregational life, and then the challenges that students and faculty bring to the community. >> there's a really wonderful ep energy in a campus ministrycongregation because it's an intergenerational community. and that's something especially for students in college or in graduate school, most of the inner generational experience is with professors. and their advisers or staff members. and, what being in le iswith someone in a nonevaluative way. and in they can exchange stories and thoughts and concerns with each other in a way that no one has to be concerned that they are being graded. students also find the intergeneration piece to a got other way. they encounter children that remind them of their siblings and who they left at home. and so they have surrogate family members. which i think