joining us from cambridge, massachusetts, sr is greg schwartz, who wrote where atheism stops and religionegins. thank you very much for being with us tonight. andrew you wrote a blog asking are the holes that are being left in the fabric of society as we see the institution of religion retreating, what exactly do you see happening? as the growth of the atheists and nonbelievers grow? >> i think what you see primarily is a lack of services that are traditionally provided by religious organizations, so we're looking at soup kitchens, homeless shelters, disaster relief, food pantries, things like that where church members come together, they volunteer, provide hours in labor, because that's what they believe they need to be doing, per their faith tradition. and that's something that we're seeing on the decline with the decline of church attendance, as well as with the rise of atheism, where there isn't as much of a social -- >> but you're not just concerned about the services provided by churches and religious organizations. you're concerned about the people themselves that somehow they are