. >> hi my name is greg wilker. obviously madison is close with jay on washington and hamilton during the -- and then becomes a democratic republican. >> they don't call it that. it's in the textbooks and it's wrong. it's republican. they don't call them democratic republicans until 1860. >> is there a reason he joined the republicans are not the federalist? >> there are people that disagree about this and the one answer is jefferson comes back from paris and become secretary of state and he lands and madison changes his mind about everything. and goes from the most ultranationalist federal veto. this takes a woman to be able to see this as a noble thing. he actually starts his conversion before jefferson. he has to run for office in virginia and they have gerrymandered districts so it's going to be tough and he's running against monroe. in a campaign he has to promise things to get elected like i'm not going to allow them to assume the state debts and we are not going to have a national banks a part of it is he com