gregg gonsalves, you are an epidemiologist now. are dealing with this plague, coronavirus, which larry was writing about at the end of his life. the comparison of the plague of aids and the plague of covid19? >> well, we have two presidents who botched response to two different epidemics. larry said, i think on the cbs piece in the 1980's, "we died from aids because we were disposable people. we did not matter." a newthere's a new era in set of disposable people, whether they are dying in nursing homes, dying in communities of color, meatpacking plants, and prisons, for those of us who are in act up, we recognize what is going on now and it has been beyond neglect. it is malevolence, pretended dated -- premeditated murder. larry knew what was happening then and now in the epidemic that we are facing todayay. amy: i w want to bring tony kushner into this discussion, the renowneded playwriright and screenwriter, 181 surprise and tony award for h his play "ange" which was later made ininto an award-wiwinning miniseries. his otother pl