couple weeks ago we had video we played, some audio clips of that locker room incident where gregg williamsg go after the head, go after the knee of various players on the san francisco 49ers, that was videotaped and we learned later that williams had actually been warned by the nfl several times before that videotape and now we have this story that williams says to hargrove that the nfl has been trying to get him for years. how do you explain this defiance on the part of the new orleans saints coaches towards the nfl? >> it's really curious and kind of started around winning the super bowl. you feel like you're bullet proof and i know throughout this whole process you look at some of the coaches and the way they reacted and the way that the nfl saw them reacting say, sean payton, he lied to the nfl to the bitter end about all of this bounty scandal and that's why you saw such harsh penalties and gregg williams also eventually came clean even though there are reports now saying he was misrepresented but still obviously the figureheads of authority did not tell the truth to the nfl. that's w