and we see that in the first episode with steven avery and gregory allen, who went on to attack womenyears while steven avery was in prison serving gregory allen's term. >> rose: right. >> so i would say-- my biggest question is how can we-- how can we come together on this, you know? because i see a lot of talk in response to this series, people taking sides, debating guilty and innocence, when that's actually not what this series is about. it's about failures within our system and why those are happening and how could we do better? and there is so much that we could unite about or unite over about this. as laura mentioned, a wrongful conviction is a wrongful acquittal. i mean, you don't have to care about the person going to prison wrong flee lee. you should care about, you know, the ill-doer on your streets. >> rose: here's a look at the week ahead. sunday is football's pro bowl in honolulu, hawaii. monday are the iowa presidential caucuses. tuesday is groundhog day. wednesday is the opening day of the santa barbara international film festival. thursday is the day president obama w

10 years while steven avery was in prison serving gregory allen's term.oira: my biggest question is how can we come together on this? i see a lot of talk in response to this series, people taking sides, debating guilt and innocence, when that's not what this series is about. it's about failures within our system and why those are happening, and how can we do better? there is so much we could unite about or unite over about this. as laura mentioned, a wrongful charlie: what is so addictive about this? moira: i have been hearing a lot of people watch it over one days or the course of two days. it surprises me. it's a very dense series. charlie: it is. but after you see one, you want to see another, because until the very end, there are questions. moira: we are not giving you the answer. we are asking questions. the goal is to start a dialogue. charlie: 10 episodes of "making a murderer" are available on netflix. ♪ he appeared on this program numerous times. here is a look at those conversations. alan rickman: there is a huge fear factor you have to deal wit

10 years while steven avery was in prison serving gregory allen's term.charlie: right. >> so my biggest question is how can we come together on this? you know, because i see a lot of talk and response to this series. people taking sides, debating guilt and innocence. when, you know, that's actually not what this series is about. it's about failures within our system and why those are happening and how could we do better? and there is so much that we could unite about. or unite over about this. as laura mentioned, a wrongful conviction is a wrongful acquittal. i mean, you don't have to care about the person going to prison wrongly. you should care about, you know, the ill doer on your street. charlie: exactly. what happens now? do most people watch it all the way through? is it like they cannot resist once they start it? >> i've been hearing a lot of that. people in one day or over the course of two days. which, you know, frankly surprises me a little. we're asking a lot of our viewers t is a very dense series. charlie: it is but it drags you right in. aft

. >> a man by the name of gregory allen, who the manitowoc city police department, as opposed to the sheriff's >> he should have been, right and his picture, um, should have photo array. that's one of the things that bothers penny to this day. >> reporter: and in her interview with dateline back in 2005, penny herself revealed something startling -- penny told us she got a call from someone in the manitowoc city police department, not long had already put avery behind bars. >> he identified himself, and said, "we have another suspect in mind who is not steven avery, but who looks a great deal like steve. and we'd like to ask you some questions." >> reporter: penny says the manitowoc police detective never named the suspect, and the call really rattled her. >> i remember hanging up the phone thinking, oh my god, maybe the wrong person's in custody. >> reporter: penny said she called the sheriff. >> and i said to him, "what's this about another suspect?" police department doesn't have jurisdiction. we will look into this. don't talk to them, it will only confuse you." >> reporter: stev

. >> a man by the name of gregory allen, who the manitowoc city police department, as opposed to the sheriff's surveillance for a series of horrible crimes -- entries into homes, assaults of young women in the home late at night. >> reporter: a city detective told the sheriff's department they should look at allen, because he also fit the description penny provided. allen's photo was never shown to penny. >> he should have been, right off the bat, a suspect. and his picture, um, should have been included in the original photo array. that's one of the things that bothers penny to this day. >> reporter: and in her interview with dateline back in 2005, penny herself revealed something startling -- penny told us she got a call from someone in the manitowoc city police department, not long after the sheriff's department had already put avery behind bars. >> he identified himself, and said, "we have another suspect in mind who is not steven avery, but who looks a great deal like steve. and we'd like to ask you some questions." manitowoc police detective never named the suspect, and the cal

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who went on to attack women for 10 years while steven avery was imprisoned serving gregory allen's term,a: my biggest question how can we come together on this? because, i see a lot of talk and response to this series, people taking sides. debating guilt and innocence, when, that is actually know what the series is about. it is about failures within our system. and why those are happening and how can we do better. there is so much that we could unite about. or unite over, about this. as laura mentioned, a wrongful conviction is a wrongful acquittal. you do not have to care about the person going to prison wrongly, you should care about the old doer on your streets. charlie: exactly. so what happens, then? do most people watch all the way through? they cannot resist once they start it? moira: i have been hearing a lot of that pete -- of that. over one day or two days. we are asking a lot of our viewers, it is a very dense series. charlie: but it drag the right in. to the very end, there are unanswered questions. we are not getting you the answer, we are raising questions here. the goal i