well to discuss the issue further let's welcome all into the program joseph gregory mahoney professor of politics at east china normal university always good to see you do you share the opinion joseph that the u.s. has gravely dummett international cooperation in tackling the pandemic. well it's absolutely the case the united states hyper politicized the pandemic. now it encourage unfounded and anti-scientific conspiracy theories demonize china and withdrew from the world health organization and that these actions in tandem with trumps america 1st. prove profoundly destructive to international cooperation but we should also note that perhaps no one has suffered more from this than the united states. furthermore while a different president might have done things differently america was not well prepared to deal with this at home socially economically and it so to show and still isn't consequently its capacity for real international leadership and assistance would have been and remains. almost leads me to my 2nd question joseph the u.s. hasn't been part we should remember of the w.h.o.

are intended lead to east accosting shadow over important scientific work china expert joseph gregory mahoney believes the origin of the pandemic will remain a political issue for some time. well it's absolutely the case the united states hyper politicized the pandemic coming out now it encourages unfounded and anti-scientific conspiracy theories demonize china and withdrew from the world health organization and that these actions in tandem with transamerica 1st perch proved profoundly destructive to international cooperation we know that biden will not go soft on china that he aims to compete we know that he has to play to american voters who are deeply suspicious of china we know that he's trying to rally allies in a new coalition to push back against china the problem we face is that it's often practically impossible to pinpoint scientifically when and where an outbreak like this started and the best we can do is rule out unlikely scenarios and consensus building around well grounded theory what this means unfortunately that the outbreaks origins will probably remain skeptical of what the