. >> oh, gosh, laurence olivier and gregory peck, jimmy stewart, john wayne. >> the greats. >> the greats>> did you ever imagine at that stage when you were at the juilliard, you were looking around all these talented people, presumably, did you ever imagine in your wildest dreams or maybe nightmares the level of fame that you would one day get through acting? >> no. it's funny. there was something -- i did believe that i was going to be successful as an actor. and i did realize that if you're successful as an actor, it might come along with fringe benefits, i guess, or peripheral anxieties. >> stage acting is kind of great because you go out every night and you get instant reaction from an audience. it's normally pretty good. a good play or whatever it may be, a good musical, they're cheering you, and you go off and feel fantastic. the worst thing about television is the terrible wait. i've made shows and they take months to make. then there's thistarible buildup. in the back of your mind all you're thinking is this could tank, and then what? >> well, i've had that experience, too. >> "f