no, that is all gregory watson.rian: there is a lot more to the story, you can listen to it on the podcast. when you were doing this, did you know you had a pretty good story? lillian: oh, yeah. he, you know, the story seemed just a brilliant and touching and wonderful and kind of unbelievable to me when i read through it and old writeups about it. and certainly talking with him, you get a taste of it here, but he was such a dynamic, interesting, dedicated guy that certainly after speaking with him, it felt like, you know, what an opportunity and treasure to tell his story and in his voice. brian: you might remember this, the original second amendment of 12 of the bill of rights, and to -- two of them did not get passed. lillian: right. brian: how did you approach the constitution from a story angle? did you have a background for any of this? lillian: the way i approached it was a bit different than "presidential." i contemplated at first. the logical thing seemed to do 27 episodes on the 27 amendments. that was the