the idea that he used force for the first time since vietnam in grenada and not particularly challengingut nonetheless successful manner. he called the soviet union the evil empire and on his watch the communist system although it didn't crumble until george bush took over, it was beginning to erode. so although reagan's foreign policy record was not entirely unblemish, he projected his notion of a strong president and that rallied people behind him and he was very popular in that regard and he won a landslide election after winning a close election in '84 and was really able to pass that mantel onto his vice president in 1988 and in that case we had a very experienced republican so republican running with advantages that democrats are weak and public opinion polls showed republicans with a 30-point advantage in public polls about who do you trust on national security issues. while george bush was not only the vice president, he was head of the cia. he was ambassador to china. he ran against michael dukakis who had no national security experience and to prove he was tough he got in a tan

although she would later on point now, you know, they didn't support us in grenada.o why should i? so she kind of emerged at tories because hague was fired. emerged as the power and u.s. government. >> shiatsu is a successful in-flight although she didn't that. so why after the united nations does she not be something else in the second term. they're all kinds of questions about what high political office should i have gotten. what happened there? >> she wanted to be -- tired of the u.n., wanted to be head of the national security council and she really wanted that job and had backing from people like bill casey and cab weinberger in short shows who is the new secretary of state was very much against it and made common cause and really blocked her. so was the kind of melancholy moment for her and burka both and they realize reagan tried to wrestle around and figure out another job. she did my job to didn't have real substantial power. so she left. this was after she agreed to stay through the 1984 election at which she really establish herself -- she or he establishe

that jeanwas really wrong on the to dse ri, wrong not to spri algh w l o t ynoh didn't support us in grenada, you know? so why should i? but she really, um, you know, she kind ofmerged victorious from that because haig wa fe f. rnebued d rg ahe power in foreign affairs and u.s. government. >> host: and you describe that story very well. she, obviously, there was a very successful in-fighter even though she didn't relishhat. guest: right. >> host: so why after the uni natisdid eotdoet th w a kf questions about what high political office she might have gotten. what happened there? >> guest: well, she really, actually, you know, she wanted to be, she tired of the u.n., she wanted to be head of the national security counc. >> ht: rht. g: ansh lyan pe l yw, bill casey and cap weinberger. but the, you know, george shultz who was the new secretary of state was very much against it and made common cause with jim baker and mike dever and others waki elancholy moment for her and for reagan both when they realized -- reagan desperately tried to rustle around and figure out another job, but she didn't w

defense of britain quickly, although she would later on point out, you know, they didn't support news grenada, and so why should i? but she really -- she kind of emerged victorious from that because haig was in effect fired. he resigned but he was fired and she emerged as the power in foreign affairs. >> host: that was very successful political infight. why after the united nations did she not do something else in the second term? there were all kinds of questions about what high political office she might have gotten. what happened there? >> guest: well, she really actually -- she wanted to be -- she tired of the u.n. she wanted to be head of the national security council. and she really wanted that job and had backing from people like dole, casey, and cap weinberger. but george schultz, the new secretary of said was very much against and it made common cause with jim baker and others and blockedder. so it was kind of a mel -- mel lan collie moment for her and reagan. she didn't want a job that didn't have some real substantial power. and so she left, and this is after she had agreed to stay

strong, pro-military, patriotism, the idea that he used force for the first time since vietnam in grenadaalled the soviet union the evil empire and on his watch, the communist system was beginning to erode. although reagan's foreign policy record was not entirely unblemished, he projected this notion of a strong president and not rallied people behind him. he was very popular in that regard. he won a landslide election after winning a close election in 1980. he was able to pass the mantle on to his vice-president in 1988. in that case, we had a very experienced republican running with the advantages of the idea that democrats are weak on national security. by the way, public opinion polls were showing republicans with a 30-point advantage in public polls about to do you trust on national-security issues. george bush was not only the vice president, he was ahead of the cia, ambassador to china, and he ran against michael dukakis. he had no national security experience. to prove that he was tough, and he got in a tank with an oversized comment. many of you remember that. that was a defining

only in one circumstance, which was in grenada, did our force goes in to a conflict setting. we were in a peacekeeping setting in lebanon. having strength, having a strong military, is the ally of peace. exercising that strength through military action is not always necessary if you have the confidence and clarity of vision and purpose which america demands. >> reporter: are you troubled by some of the growing isolationist sentiments that we're seeing in the republican party? >> i don't know that i see more in our party than i do across the country. there are-- there are some who would prefer to see america play a less-prominent role in the world. i believe the world benefits from american leadership. i believe this next century should be an american century. i believe as well that american strength is essential economic strength, family and value strength, military strength is essential for our own good that these things not only suspect secure peace for other people but preserve peace for us and promise greater prosperity for america. >> reporter: what would the romney doct

homer at bigert was the waste gun of his b-17 hammering away and interesting bernie grenada stars & stripes guy was regular army, chose not to use the machine gun. cronkite said it was impossible to try to keep track of these german fighters. the bombers were going to the north sea had 300 miles an hour. the mashers mets were coming at them at 500 miles an hour. there would be at tiny speck on the horizon all this showed and shooting past them and here's cronkite who is never really shot one of these things before except trying to hammer away and if you think about this, all the other b-17s were in a formation with them. poor bigert was tormented the rest of his life that he had shot down robert perkins plane. it would have been impossible. they weren't closeinformation but bigert was tormented by all of that. >> and they all had to -- how many of them wrote opus across that same day when they got back wax. >> yeah well, right. the amazing story that chips dad would have been up for about two days and then up writing what became the famous assignment to hell lead, the moment the completely

has been a legend in the army in the earliest days who was known as second lieutenant who went to grenada all expectations and i know he did. he and laurie will continue to do great work here at dia. congratulations to them and this great agency. ron burgess yesterday attended his last executive committee meeting with me and the 16 leaders of the intelligence community. so we shared some great stories about him and it got as up is occasions do, a little emotional. not as emotional as an auburn-alabama football game but still emotional. i find out, i found out, thanks to mary lajere, the army finally gets to retired the polyester green uniform now that ron's retiring. [applause] as you all know and as very eloquently attested to already ron has had a very, very distinguished career spanning almost four decades. but i would like to fast forward him to the time when he was a brand new three-star general, when the office of director of national intelligence was standing up about seven years ago. ron was offered the job of what was called the ddni for customer outcomes, parens, requirements. i

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been a legend in the army since earliest days when he was known as the second lieutenant who went to grenadahim or he will do great work here at dia. many congratulations to them and to this gradations to you. yesterday ron burgess attended his last executive committee meeting with me in the 60 meters of the intelligence community, so we shared great stories about him and that god such occasions do a little emotional. not as emotional as an auburn alabama football game, but still emotional. i found out thanks to mary was shared that the army finally gets to retire the polyester green uniform now that ron is retiring. [laughter] [applause] as you all know, and very eloquently attested to already ron has had a very very distinguished career spanning almost four decades. but i like to fast for a word to him to the time when he was a brand-new three-star general, the director of national intelligence for standing up about seven years ago. brown was offered the job of what was called the dede and i for customer outcomes requirement. i am told that he said it sounded -- and i'm quoting here it sou

. >> invade grenada a war he knew he was going to win. >> meacham, your thought was?t war time presidents are ones for whom war is total. and they are able to inspire and move a democracy as doris talks about roosevelt or lincoln and small wars tend not to work out very well for democracies with one exception -- maybe others but one comes to mind -- which is the 1990/ '91 war in the gulf which george h.w. bush treated as a full-scale war. but then limited all the way, all or nothing, 500,000 men, but when it was over it was over. no creep, no wars. eisenhower understood war is a mutating monster. presidents who think they can control it are kidding themselves. >> what you're talking about is what colin powell talked about after that war and it's the powell doctrine, you go in with everything, you win, and you bring them home. if you don't -- >> or shouldn't go in the first place. not going to be willing to make that commitment. >> let's talk, doris, also, about the dirtier side of war as it comes to presidential legacies. wars have a way of having preside presidents,

strong, pro-military, patriotism, the idea that he used force for the first time , hee vietnam's in grenada called the soviet union the evil empire and on his watch, the communist system was beginning to erode. although reagan's foreign policy record was not entirely unblemished, he projected this notion of a strong president and not rallied people behind him. he was very popular in that regard. he won a landslide election after winning a close election in 1980. he was able to pass the mantle on to his vice-president in 1988. in that case, we had a very experienced republican running with the advantages of the idea that democrats are we gonna national security. by the way, public opinion polls were showing republicans with a 30 point advantage in public polls about to do you trust on national-security issues. george bush was not only the vice president, he was ahead of the cia, ambassador to china, and he ran against michael dukakis. he had no national security experience. to prove that he was tough, and he got in a tank with an oversized comment. many of you remember that. that was a defin