our target for grenoble's will always be in excess of pg&e -- grenoble's will always be in excess of pg&e -- renewables will always be in excess of pg&e. that has been keeping us pretty busy, as well as the rfp process. now i want to introduce dawn weiss from the marin energy authority and david orth. supervisor mirkarimi: right before we bring up our guest, would not you say from the tenor of the senate panel hearing that you and i, and others, attended, that there is a sea change in sacramento recognizing the level of interference or obstructionist practices by the private utility so that it is now on the radar. municipal governments should be free to pursue, in a unfettered way, their ability to become a cca. would you say that that have now captured the attention of others? lines have potentially been crossed where now cpuc is being involved. >> absolutely, there is frustration with utilities for not meeting their targets. sacramento may be thinking that municipalities like ours can help to achieve the state's targets. as well, general frustrations that pg&e and its other transac