certainly the fact that we've had greta gerwig in the conversation, chloe chow, jane campion winning best directing oscars, its light years from how it was simply a cade ago. i think there is such a difference between a trend and sustainable change. as long as we are still at a precarious point where year-to-year the fortunes of women can swing from two in a race to zero in a race, you are not solidly achieving a pipeline of systemic equity. we don't worry year-to-year if any man will make it into the race. that is literally question that nobody has asked. but that's still a question for women. will any women make it into the race this year as long as that question still exists and is a realistic one, we haven't really achieved systemic change yet. >> another thing you have long looked at is asian and asian american actors. it's a notably big year in that regard. how big a sign of change would this be? >> things began to change after parasite in 2019 won basically every oscar that it was nominated for, but it was not nominated in a single indidual acting category and that sort of emp