>> gretchen morgenson: well, i think it does, bill. because these are obviously extremely successful companies building a product, as you say, that many, many people enjoy. this is not like wall street creating, you know, products that no one needs and that only wind up hurting people, as we saw in the crisis. but it is a cost to the system if you don't have adequate tax rolls coming in from these immensely successful companies. and this is not illegal. apple has not been accused of doing anything illegal. it's, you know, being shrewd. it's being smart about the tax code, which is a giant mess, because it has been manipulated to gain these kinds of loopholes. >> bill moyers: let's take a look at an excerpt from the senate hearings earlier this week. senator levin is questioning apple's ceo, tim cook. >> senator carl levin: you point out, and accurately so, mr. cook, that 95% of the creativity that goes into those products is in california. but two-thirds of the profits are in ireland. and you've made a decision, which you have a right

. >> bill moyers: this week on "moyers and company --" >> gretchen morgenson: i would like to know if apple's lobbyists had anything to do creating the loopholes and rules they're now benefiting from. >> bill moyers: and -- >> tim dechristopher: civil disobedience is always a criticism of the existing power structure. and it's always been that way. that's the role of civil disobedience -- it's a role of dissent. >> announcer: funding is provided by -- carnegie corporation of new york, celebrating 100 years of philanthropy, and committed to doing real and permanent good in the world. the kohlberg foundation. independent production fund, with support from the partridge foundation, a john and polly guth charitable fund. the clements foundation. park foundation, dedicated to heightening public awareness of