for more business gretchen peters.org >> what is a demagogue? >> it is a leader there is a four part definition which is one of the few times anybody has the find demagogue by a bar of the terms from james cooper and there are four characteristics they identify as a manner per cent of the people or the mass against the elite. second major great emotional reactions, third they use those reactions for personal or political benefit and the fourth that is the most important, they bend or break establish rules of governance or law. >> host: who would you define as the american demagogue? >> urie long was the quintessential and there have been many other from daniel shea who was a revolutionary during the time of the constitutional convention i think joseph mccarthy, a george wallace, there have been david duke even in his little burst in louisiana was a demagogue. and there have also been in history when i talk about this beneficial, paradoxically you can have a demagogue if the definition is a test to establish rules but if they are unjust. there is