well, if not, i'd like to thank gretel ehrlich for her wonderful and inspiring presentation for her new book, "facing the wave." and i thank you all for joining us here at the mechanics' institute here this san francisco. i'm laura shepherd, director of events, and we look forward to seeing you very soon again. >> thank you. [applause] >> and now, booktv. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend on c-span2. this weekend we are live from the tucson festival of books in arizona. follow us on twitter and facebook for live updates and pictures throughout the weekend. watch our live coverage and more all weekend long on booktv. for a complete schedule, visit booktv.org: >> i want to move to the role of publishers in this new world. it used to be that publishers would take care of all distribution, they would take care of production, and they would provide the advance. and that, that series of services led them to take a very hefty can cut, a 95% cut. now, now you don't need production because you can put it out on the web, you don't need an advance because it doesn't cost that