everyone at greylock valued making products. it is characteristic of david to enter the question like, no, it was everybody else. emily: you did find facebook and linkedin. you convinced reid hoffman to join the firm. how did you do that? how do you do that? john: again, it comes down to -- we believe if you come from product and you have that background and network, there is an authenticity. most people do not remember this, but in 2005, when facebook took the investment the valuation was $500 million. which seemed, to most people -- emily: there were just students on it at the time. john: right, and not that many. it seemed like an insane valuation. i think many people looked at that and said, dave sze and greylock have lost their minds. not just from the outside. partners from the inside said this is insane, not what we do. emily: who said that? david: we had partners. one of the characteristics of our partnership is we like to disagree. we like to push each other. there were partners saying, this will ruin the firm. this is