and so what happens if dob ald trump crashes and burns, do they believe in what happens to their grieveance? >> yeah, the greeferance stays. and so then out of my-- out of the darkness of despond i've constructed a very optimistic narrative story. >> rose: which is. >> for the republican party which is that the republican party had grown on sol let, it had been imprisoned by reagan, categories which were great for the 19 '80s but it's 26 years later. and done all trump was the agent of death for that old structure. and that old structure is never coming back. and so after the rebel of what i hope will be a trump defeat, there will be what thomas ku ne called the revolutionary period. after a scientific par a dime o collapses, then there is this period where you get all of these theories floating all over the place. and eventually one of them rises. and one that -- who knows what will rise, but it will be a time potentially of intense creativity, and but which will focus on two things. one, the segmenting of america. and two, the disunit of the social fabric. and the problem with the reagani