and that is where grilli and lincoln separated. co-chair varon: can we take just a minute then have the perspective on the perspective of the press and could the -- in the confederacy? the davis do much? could he have done more? >> i am not filler with davis in the press, i'm afraid. chair holzer: there was just as much pushback in the confederacy as there was in the north. >> davis was hoping, however for a forest of support. you know? so it may not have been actual attacks on him. it was his policy and his personality. he was unpopular throughout the war. >> stevens had papers that were organs of his critique of the davis the ministration. >> legislation eventually passed in the confederacy to limit the press us -- press' freedoms. >> -- they were very cool to davis throughout the war. -- cruel to davis throughout the war. i don't know about his impression of them, but certainly he has enemies in the press who were, as you are hinting, almost seditious in their criticism of davis. chair holzer: i do want to make one brief point -

and that is where grilli and lincoln separated. co-chair varon: can we take just a minute then have the perspective on the perspective of the press and could the -- in the confederacy? the davis do much? could he have done more? >> i am not filler with davis in the press, i'm afraid. chair holzer: there was just as much pushback in the confederacy as there was in the north. >> davis was hoping, however for a forest of support. you know? so it may not have been actual attacks on him. it was his policy and his personality. he was unpopular throughout the war. >> stevens had papers that were organs of his critique of the davis the ministration. >> legislation eventually passed in the confederacy to limit the press us -- press' freedoms. >> -- they were very cool to davis throughout the war. -- cruel to davis throughout the war. i don't know about his impression of them, but certainly he has enemies in the press who were, as you are hinting, almost seditious in their criticism of davis. chair holzer: i do want to make one brief point -

how you do that see grilli, i don't know. but congress will have to tangle over that. the u.s.to want to sponsor the so-called democracy programs. cuba doesn't want them to be covert programs. senator leahy subcommittee is going to have to deal with that. there's a succession of issues. i don't think the fugitives in cuba is going to be a big deal. i hope it's not. i can't say for sure. juan: why does cuba matter? what is in the impact of cuba on progressive thought and movements here and the united states and around the world? >> on the negative side, the cuban exiles have intimidated a lot of people, but have actually been quite cancerous in our society. they have created a kind of mafia click in florida. they gave rise to the jeb bush dynasty. cuban exiles were directly involved in the killing of a chilean diplomat and his assistant. they blew their car up in washington, d.c. juan: and the watergate burglary -- >> they broke into the democratic party headquarters of watergate. they were part of nixon's plumbers. they make good use of their time here in the united states of a

she's grilli incarcerated in federal prison in fort worth texas, where she's serving 86 years behindou just know that her family. you just came back from pakistan and agreed to represent her. we will announce this today at a news conference. what are you going to say? we only have a minute, but just to get a taste of what this case is and what your defense is. >> i would say there are two points automate. first in pakistan, she is very very popular. everybody knows her. she is the daughter of the nation. the prime minister and his whole cabinet candor the family's house to pledge they will try to get her back. whereas here in america, she is almost unknown. i wanted to talk about that because i think america, who holds a lot of the political prisoners in the world, does not do enough to publicize what political prisoners are and the conditions under which they are held. i think aafia siddiqui's case is a glaring example of this. the other thing that is for disturbing to us is she has not been heard from for over a year by her family. they've had counselor visits and the counselor has