daniel groth is the director of the center of european policy studies and joins us.niel, great to have you with us, as always. daniel, i'm not too sure. here we are again, how much if one should hold their breath. just recently germany's finance minister said greece is acting irresponsible and he is skeptical a deal will be reached today. do you think he's speaking for the majority of european finance ministers? >> in a certain sense, yes. it's very unlikely they'll get a deal today, but actually almost all european finance ministers are united in one thing. they all want to see their money back. and that's why the greeks will have a very tough time on the issue of debt for business. i don't think that's going to be in the cards. >> yeah this has been going on for some time and it's going to continue, this is a case of who blings first? because i'm wondering, what sort of deals, if any, are on the table? does greece still want to do that deal where they leak their debt to growth so they're saying, we're only going to start paying that debt off once our economy starts