caller: senator coburn i would like to thank you for taking on grove norquist. i think there is something treasonist about making someone take a pledge above and beyond what they take in the oath of office. my concern is, while i believe we have a spending problem, we also have a revenue problem. that comes from an understanding of who owes whom what. the operating budget owns trust funds to, for example, the social security trust fund, $2.6 trillion. some people say, well, that's an illusion. but the funds collected were not an illusion. it only became an i illusion when it was put into the unified budget and was moved to pay for expenses. so if tax funds are an illusion, congress is the ma jigs. we need to repay that money. that is it why there is a revenue issue. while i think there is spending cuts, i do think an honest budget which will require you all to destroy the unified all to destroy the unified budget and then require individual balanced budgets for the operating budget, for the trust fund, but only after the operating budget has returned the i.o.u.'

i agree with grove and norquist who said raise the debt now. fight it out in 2012.l sorry for john boehner and i think he is a captive of the conference and a lot of newer people. >> why do you feel sorry for john boehner. why not the president. who is captive of whom here? >> i feel sorry for our country, frankly neal, people send us to washington to try to figure out problems and i am one who believes in a sensible center and i think we don't need to move too far to the right or left. >> congressman. maybe people are tired of the way it is played out. it was democrats who voted against the debt limit when president bush was president . part of the theater. both parties do it . so that was then and this is now . now all of the sudden concerned about financial armageddon andiadiada. we have done it 18 times when ronald reagan was president and we are still in the same pickle. maybe americans are saying that dog don't hunt. >> i think what president obama was trying to do and i don't know the detail of the package. i think he thought because the pressure was on it mi

caller: senator coburn i would like to thank you for taking on grove norquist. is something treasonist about making someone take a pledge above and beyond what they take in the oath of office. my concern is, while i believe we have a spending problem, we also have a revenue problem. that comes from an understanding of who owes whom what. the operating budget owns trust funds to, for example, the sociasecurity trust fund, $2.6 trillion. some people say, well, that's an illusion. but the funds collected were not an illusion. it only became an i illusion when it was put intohe unified budget and was moved to pay for expenses. so if tax funds are an illusion, congress is the ma jigs. we need to repay that money. that is it why there is a revenue issue. while i think there is spending cuts, i do think an honest budget which will require you all to destroy the unified all to destroy the unified budget and then require individual balanced budgets for the operating budget, for the trust fund, but only after the operating budget has returned the i.o.u.'s to social securi