say his name is not grover norquist.r latino or for that matter any minority, and he says as norquist did, our goal is to inflict pain. it is not enough to win. it has to be a painful, devastating defeat, like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see. what if this guy had said that, our goal is to inflict pain? what if this guy talked about spiking his opponent's head on a pole for everyone to see? what's the difference between van jones and grover norquist? grover norquist went to harvard college, harvard business school. van jones went to university of tennessee and yale law school. not much difference there. grover norquist worked for the reagan administration. van jones worked for the obama administration. not much difference there. but there is a difference. there's a big difference. if van jones had ever said our goal is to inflict pain, it's not enough to win, it has to be a painful, devastating defeat, like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on

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grover to you. look at it.e have the payroll tax increase for so many working americans at the beginning of the year. isn't it only fair that the federal government goes on a bit of a diet, too? >> well, one of the challenges, of course, is the federal government's been on a binge, and just beginning to bring it back, obama thinks that makes the world collapse. we could absorb a lot more budget restraint if it was done through reform in government. the republican budget, the ryan plan saves $6 trillion over the next decade. this is only 1.2 trillion. it's done awkwardly, but the republicans have a plan to do six times more in savings by reforming government. obamaments to cut -- obama wants to cut it with a meat cleaver a little. gerri: doug, it's not planned reform or sought out reform. it's a mistake, and we're all going to live with it, and it's going to be fine, but ated -- at the end of the day, it's not that much money.@ it's about 2%. what do you think of it? >> it's much to do about nothing. it's really

grover, i want to play you an astonishing piece of tape, really. yesterday we had bill o'reilly almost converting to gay marriage. today, rush limbaugh joined in. listen to this. >> this issue is lost. i don't care what the supreme court does. this is now inevitable and it's inevitable because we lost the language on this. we lost the issue when we started allowing the word marriage to be bastardized and redefined by simply adding words to it. >> is he right? is the gay marriage debate lost to those that oppose it? >> it's an interesting question, obviously, once you get the government into defining something, they're going to mess it up. marriage for a lot of people is a religious sacrament and any of the abrahamic faiths, yet the government should be enforcing contracts, if people want a contract with who they live with and how they want to pass on their estates, for years we worked with gay groups trying to get rid of the death tax because that was one of the discriminatory factors there. i think there are a number of laws that the government's

one of them involves our 22nd and our 24th president, grover cleveland. now, when grover cleveland was a young man, there was a proposal because a cleveland fathered a child out of wedlock with a woman named maria from pennsylvania, and she might have been a prostitute. at the least she was very casual about her relationships. of now, cleveland was a bachelor and, of course, he's running in the 1880s and then again in the 1890s, so fathering a child out of wedlock was seen as a big to-do at the time. and it was such a big to-do for other reasons. one was that the republican opponents of cleveland that were backing james g. blaine, the republican nominee, and a group of very righteous preachers started a campaign that no woman in the country's safe. lock your doors. you know, it's like drag that's here or something, cleveland's prowling the streets debatching young women. really an aggressive campaign attacking cleveland. so it became a huge story because they wouldn't let it go. but one of the things that saves cleveland is it turns out that james g. blai

grover norquist known as an expert on some of these budget issues. you bring up the senate budget that we saw from budget chairwoman patty murray last week. talk about that and how you think it compares to paul ryan's budget? >> there are two major differences and they certainly going different directions. paul ryan's budget balances in 10 years and is not raise taxes and patty murray's budget never balances and raises taxes $1.5 trillion over the next decade. what the democrats and patty murray are saying in addition to the 600 million-dollar tax increase that obama won in january and they trillion dollars of obamacare tax increases that most americans are unaware of and they don't know that they are getting and obama never talks about the trillion dollars in tax increases starting this year for obamacare. 1.6 and 1.5 is a 3 trillion-dollar tax increase over the next decade if the democratic budget passes and a never balances because they turn round and spend another -- hundreds of millions of dollars more on stimulus programs as well as other stuff

grover norquist.nd are you worried about taxes on our savingsing thes here -- accounts here in america? >> always be married. advocates of ever growing government are on the lookout for new ways to tax, new things to tax, and new ways to get their hands on assets, and as long as the obama administration, the democrats keep planning on spending a trillion dollars more than they take in, they are always -- whether it's a vat or higher income taxes or more business taxes or going after people's 401(k)s and iras in argentina, discussed by some in the left in america, yes, we should be concerned. i think the republican house will stop it for the next two years, but we should be on the lookout. >> all right. it's liz here, grover. getting back to the tax on 401(k) savingsing thes, -- savings accounts, the brookings institute testified about it and an academic talked about taxes 401(k)s getting at the honey pot. there's a backlash against that. will it come up again, and how many congresses going forward? >>

grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, it seems like it reached critical mass. that we need to reform the tax code. do you thinkkthat is just lip service or do you think that now for the first time we could really see this happen, loopholes closing, tax code reforming, simplification, what do you think? >> well, two questions. one we need to do it, our economy is growing more slowly than it should. it is killing jobs the structure of the tax code, both corporate and individual income tax that we have now. the challenge we have is that dave camp, the republican chairman of the ways and means committee in the house whose job it is to reform things, he is designing a tax reform plan right now as we talk. orrin hatch in the senate, senate finance committee is doing the same thing. the president goes to bed every night with sugarplums dancing in his head about raising taxes, not reforming them. so there's a conflict, of vision here as to what direction they want to go. melissa: okay. i have a solution. do it for them. w

grover suppose these guys mouth off and say the place is too liberal. what happened to free speech?rds why would the crimson be defensive and goofy and say we don't want you, don't come here. what happened to free speech and good debate >> they are not advocates of good debate or free speech. they want everybody to agree with them. they sound like alabama in the 1950s wanting these other guys tomming into their territory. america love it or leave it. if you don't agree with us go away. they are not up for debate because they are not capable of baking the debate. they are not willing to put the time and effort into it. they want to believe stimulus spending creates jobs and they don't want to be asked to deal with the reality of what their policies and ideas have done. >> grover, this is ari. you know, i thought the editorial was absurd and i think anyone can see that. whether it's an institution or country or neighborhood you want people in who can debate it openly and not say this is only for supporters. having said that and probably agreeing with you don't you think they hit on a

part of it a publicity stunt for grover norquist every year. where they're headed for trouble is that rand paul is an isolationist. so we're now moving to a far right of the republican party that might be divided over very basic issues of foreign policy. >> so basically the party there are two parts of it. each of which do know exactly who they are i'll go to you, dr. geist, bass their philosophy is based on purity, what kind of purity? the neocon purity that says we're not isolationists that we want to go around the world and change the world? or is it purity that the idea of we're just about cutting spending in government? >> the internal dispute is what's telling on their publicity machinery here. because if you've got you know, reputable people saying look, this looks like the wookys and when i see allen west there, when he says black people are interested in smaller government, they did, they chose not to re-elect you. so what's interesting is that the, if you will, frack as from within is about the soul of the republican party. is it goin

no one cheered more wildly for anyone than grover norquist.if you raise prices, i'm going to beat you in a primary. >> dana, what do you expect magnificent mitt to offer us tomorrow? >> he's getting a lot of abuse in the back sessions blaming him for what happened here, so i think they will be polite to him. but he wants to come out and say, look, it wasn't my fault, it was x, y and z. i believe he'll get a reasonable reception here. >> let's hope so. you stay safe. dana milbank, jimmy williams, thank you both. >>> coming up, the national gun conversation overheats in the senate. >> i'm not a sixth grader. senator, i've been on this committee for 20 years. i was a mayor for nine years. i walked in, i saw people shot. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually all your important legal matters in just minutes. protect your family... and launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. boom. heart attack. the doctor recommends bayer aspirin to keep this from happening to me again. it's working. [ male announcer ] be

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you are on what grover norquist. caller: thank you for c-span. norquist, i think there is a big problem. perception is everything when it comes to marketing and it is the perception that the democrats are able to get across. because the democrats, they know their audience, they know who they are pandering to, they know who they are selling to. and they treat them like stupid children. and it works. i will give you an example. you remember when the bush tax tom- first came out and shall and dick gephardt -- tom daschle and dick kept part, the minority leaders, did not have anything, but yet they come out with this ridiculous show what the press with visual age -- they had to bring the press outside. they had this rusty muffler. see, that is what he is going to get, and this is all you are getting, and basically they said there is nothing in it for you if you are middle-class and poor, he is only doing this for the rich. we know that is not true. but most people bought it. most republicans i talk to -- it is unbelievable. forget about the truth. it

grover norquist is here, the "usa today" washington bureau chief susan paige and van jones. that the democrats blinked on the assault weapons ban, this ban on certain kinds of semiautomatic rifles. >> well, it does. and i think it's disspirit forgue people. i mean, i've never been a big fan of the assault weapons ban personally but it's symbolic, important, and there are other things it looks like they may be blinking on for now as well. three months after those children got killed, it looks like democrats are going to play this kind of game where they put a very bare bones bill through and have all the meaningful stuff as amendments on the side that people can vote on. all that stuff is cute in washington, d.c. i think it's shocking to people in america. i'm disappointed grover, you are a member of the national rifle association i believe. >> yes. i'm on the board of directors. >> what is your take on what the senate is coming up with? is there anything in there the nra can get onboard with? >> well, what you have is a bunch of guys that do something. what they ought to do

grover norquist known as an expert on some of these budget issues. you bring up the senate budget that we saw from budget chairwoman patty murray last week with. talk about that and how you think it compares to paul ryan's budget. >> guest: there are two major differences. they certainly go in different directions. the paul ryan budget balances in ten years and does not raise taxes. patty murray's budget never balances and raises taxes $1.5 trillion over the next decade. so what the democrats and patty murray are saying in addition to the $600 billion tax increase that obama won in january and the trillion dollars of obamacare tax increases that most americans are unaware of, they don't know that they're hitting, they haven't gotten a lot of press attention, obama never talks about the trillion dollars of tax increases starting this year for obamacare. so 1.6 plus 1.5, that's a $3 trillion dollar tax increase over the next decade if the democratic budget passed. and, of course, it never balances because they turn around and spend another, um, more mo

ed gerri: where are we going here grover? >> the president is of little bit confused and shaken up.he sequester was his idea. he roughed up bob woodward but this is his idea he signed legislation to put this into effect. he thought about it. he did this instead of reform that the republicans and house wanted. t this is what he said the -- instead of the right and veggies that the republicans would recoil because defense spending would not risele rise, watching too much cable television becauseid hoping they would not get what they were hoping for but only four of thosebsent people not the modern republican party or the people. gerri: doo you think what has happened with the sequestered you will have him sign it within the hour. apocalypse now or apocalypse not? raise your hand. come on. it looks like it is unanimous. >> i thoughtun in apocalypse the good guys won?igh [laughter] d gerri: come up with the details. what do you think?t when it comes to the sequester is apocalypse now or apocalypse not? we will see how you vote. a stars with fiscal mismanagement. michigan's governor decl

>> yes. >> grover norquist's name came up earlier.re's a real reward to the provocateur, to the person who says things in an exaggerated fashion and a reward to the person who uses a pittian sound bite and had a corrosive effect on our debate and giving shallow attention to the media than nuances and compromises that lead to meaningful legislation. >> that's very true. that which jumps out as being something provacative gets attention and someone that deals in moderation is very often over overlooked. >> frank, how do we walk back from that then? i guess the question, have we gone a bridge too far? how do you get the sensationalism out of politics and policy making? is there any hope? >> i'm not sure. a few things we could do, people like you and me give less ink and airtime to people who merely speak in emphatic and colorful size people talking with substance and nuance. voters have to come into the equation. i think they're getting more and more fed up with the sclerosis and stupidity we see in washington d.c. and we welcome come up

we call it, we're going to have to live with it, and if we're raising taxes, we are going to anger grover these are the games these people are playing, rather than saying, let's see if we can live with any of this. >> thanks for filling in for me last week, i watched your friday show where you -- i just think brilliantly laid out this point about the exaggerated notions in washington about the power of the presidency in this crazy questioning that the president got last week about leadership from the president. why aren't you leading where the press very conveniently forgets the design of government, and how powerful the congress is, and i know of no way. there's nothing i've seen in what we're seeing in washington, that indicates anyway that i can see how the president can persuade john boehner to come to some kind of agreement or force him or do anything as the president said the whole jedi mind meld thing. >> thank you for letting me host the show. you should take your frizz off instead of watching it. >> i watched in extreme comfort. >> john boehner is elected by his own constituents.

. >> the gridiron club, the traditions of gridiron go back to the grover cleveland administration, andok around the room, it looks like some of the members go back to the grover cleveland administration as well. but i think it got a rude introduction to the video age a few years ago when president bush got on stage and started singing. and boy, those camera videos were on the internet within second. i do commend senator klobuchar. she got the two secrets of this, one is self deprecating humor goes a long way, and topical stuff goes a long way. she was working a little blue, making jokes about the size of general allen's hard drive. she did a great job. >> i have to do for the audience, i have to read these which is tragic. read one of the president's jokes. he said now i'm sure you noticed there's is somebody special in my life missing tonight, someone who has always got my back, stands with me no matter what and gives me hope no matter how dark things seem. tonight i want to publicly thank my rock, my foundation, thank you, nate silver. and karen, as you know on this program, we ran n

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only president who has not attended was grover cleveland. president obama will be here. he is scheduled to make remarks. he will also visit capitol hill. he will meet with republicans and democrats of both chambers to discuss the deficit. we will take a moment to watch at the scene at the renaissance hotel. you are looking at the scene where the gridiron club is hosting its dinner tonight. cameras are not allowed inside the dinner. they are allowing one journalist to report on the evening. you can watch the live stream of arrivals live at c-span.org. and now c-span's "the communicators." >> last week, michael daniels was our guest. mr. daniels is the president of cybersecurity cordy nader and his -- coordinator and is talking about the executive order the president recently issued. this week we have two members of congress to discuss the order and get reaction from capitol hill. joining us is a republican from texas, member of the intelligence committee, and in the last august, task forced chair on cyber security for the speaker. when you look at the president's executiv

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increases in marginal tax rates they can continue to make the claim that they have been loyal to god grover and. now they've got a deal with the president and meanwhile they succeeded in getting getting the first first democratic president in a long long time may i suppose you can argue that bill clinton did it somewhere what with you know destroying welfare as we know it to shoot the traditional democratic santa clause of of social security and look this is the same week the president obama went on record saying topic anomic advisor that he prefers cuts to social security to the so-called chain c.p.i. those would those would be big cuts so now we have a democratic president on record saying that he prefers this what's amazing about this and also sickening is that you have a democratic president just one reelection a democratic united states senate and a republican party in control of the house only three gerrymandering member democrats got more votes for the u.s. house total in the republicans so the right way the republican that's right so the crazy thing is that the republicans are in su

we had one particular incident at 65 oak grover, a beautiful mural, and it was slightly obliterated. he went back and fixed it. and then they came back and completely obliterated it. and he told me he could not go back up there because the people that did that would hurt him and he knew who it was. so, instead of hiring another muralist to go up there because he gave us that information, we just had -- we buffed it over and had a blank coat of paint put over it. so, in our program we can utilize the artists to get the information we need to keep them safe and also we let the police -- law enforcement know this program is happening and when it's happening so that they're hypersensitive to it. >> i'm going to go back over here and we have a couple comments. i think we're going to stick with this topic a little bit because it looks like there's a lot of interest. i'll get back to you after this gentleman back here. and i'll hold the mic and you just speak into it, okay, sir. let me get on this side of it and go ahead. >> don't wait until somebody gets assaulted like i did. make sure you

glad you're covering this because the stories are going to get creepier this is only day one when grover norquist equates ph it quits politicians who engage in raising taxes is being the head in a rat head in the bottom of a bottle after you drink a coca-cola so that's the kind of that's the kind of day on the first day that we saw at this loony toon lollapalooza it's really quite remarkable. thirty seconds pat what are your thoughts on this so-called split in the republican party and might we see something like this in the democratic party the conservatives peeling off me or fish or allies i think progressives there are a lot of them like me and that is progressive we fought for this president we believed in the president we did it at an arm's length but now we have to say there is no more arm's length we have to preserve everything the democrats stand for there will be. split i'll tell you this on free speech t.v. for this next year you will not be hearing kind and gentle remarks about this president until he gives us a reason to see those types of things so i don't i don't see a probl

we haven't had one since grover. >> it james garfield, and it was a mouse-- musstatch. he was the first hipster in the 1880ings. i spoke with graphicings of - graphics what the president would look like with a wig and beard and it might look something like am just messing with you. i maintain he has. if he had the right. probably gopt o.k.ess to the c.i.a. with the best disguises on planet earth. yes, it is true. he can go as another president. >> he could wear bangings oh, no. >> maybe he has. so vument - when the president is in town and i see a man with a mouse - moustache i photobomb him. in atlanta, a guy spinning records amazing. we went up to his -- jimmy carter. it was a 24 year old. >> you should hope that the secret service knows what photobomb means. >> nais a peaceful way of doing this. >> we have to move on to my favorite story of all time. from kenyan born to an odd horn. is there no class in artificial gas. michigan first grader was barred from the talent show because his performance deemed inappropriate. he was excited to feign flagellant sounds until th

. >> imus student in grover help and my question is sexual violence against women in general is always related to improving gender equality and improving things like that but racism is never really brought into that realm. with that disparity, people are reluctant to talk about it and if they do talk about it is in an abstract and helpful way that never gets to the root of the problem. it is so integral to summoning women, a subject no one wants to pursue. >> i'm public health students, i get nervous in front of a telephone. >> lot more nervous than we all are. >> there are people here that if you don't give a rat's's you know what about public health. >> talking lot about silence, and the perspective that we have been focusing on violence on college campuses but goes to a much earlier face in life so how do you propose adjusting get from a life perspective? and a story about baltimore related to violence and teen pregnancy that men or young men felt that they needed to pass on their dna because violence was so rampant in their communities that it was causing high rates of pregnancy. >