our guests, two familiar faces to c-span viewers, grover norquist of americans for tax reform and laura murphy of the american civil liberties union. they are not on opposite sides on this issue, they have teamed up. laura murphy, what is this group that you've formed called digital fourth? >> guest: it's a combination of think tanks, advocacy organization toes, major internet service providers like google, yahoo!, at&t. it's a group of interested people who want changes in our electronic communications privacy laws. and we need to update those laws. the last time the electronics communications privacy act was updated was in 1986, and a lot has changed since then. >> host: grover norquist, what kind of access do law enforcement officials, the government, have to our e-mails right now? >> guest: it's not traded as if it's regular snail mail. they can go into it if it's been parked with a third party, put in the cloud. what we need to do is just update the law to go alongside the changes in technology instead of sending each other letters, we send each other e-mail. instead of keeping you

but i think grover's point is a good one. what is it about e-mail that deserves any less protection than your file cabinet. someone comes into your office and wants to search her file cabinet they have to have a warned. >> guest: the letter has been in your house for six months, should it be something the government can walk into a get without a warrant? if not how do you make the argument that an e-mail somehow loses its his fourth amendment rights when it gets old? >> host: agent konrad motyka any response? >> caller: i think the government is saying go ahead congress and take a look at this and make your updates but please keep our concerns uppermost and let's ensure that we don't create an impediment to an investigation while the update this and taken to her counter digital age. >> host: konrad motyka is this a conversation that you and other fbi agents have regularly about e-mail? >> caller: not from a philosophical perspective. to be honest we are more focused on the practical aspects. the practical aspects if the instr

>> grover, what's your reaction? this is the entitlement argument, this is the heritage foundation, this is the robert recollecter argument. you have to contend, you heard ann, what's your response? >> let's be fair to the heritage foundation nchlgt 2006 they put out a professionally, seriously done study that said immigrants are a boon to the country and produce more than they consume. so heritage has been on the record with a serious study that was quite good and we shouldn't stick them with some of the other studies that haven't been as well thought through from time to time. holt seekan has done another study to reduce the deficit over the next decade, 2.7 trillion, because of this. these are serious economic studies. >> because more people entering the labor force would increase economic growth by 1 percentage point a year. if you get that kind of growth from more people coming into the labor force, then the deficit falls by nearly 3 trillion dollars. >> this is preposterous. >> preposterous. >> ann has said a c

. >> next on c-span, "the communicators" discusses electronic privacy with grover norquist and laura murphy. series.r "first ladies" fourth amendment reads the right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched. this is "the communicators." our guests are grover norquist of american tax reform and laura murphy of the american civil liberties. they have teamed up. laura murphy, what is this group you have formed? >> it is a combination of think tanks and advocacy organizations and major internet service providers like google and yahoo and at&t. it is a group of interested people who want changes in our electronic medications privacy ions privacyuniat law. we need to updated. the last time the electronic communications privacy act was updated was in 1986. a lot has changed. does theind of access government have to our e-mails today? >> right now it is not t

stay right there, grover norquist.e of the biggest names on wall street, or they i should say, have a message for ben bernanke, stop printing money. 1 i doubt that ben is listening, but we'll have penny's opening stock price when that opening bell rings. look at this. they are celebrating the death of margaret thatcher in the street. i say that's absolutely disgusting. we'll have a former thatcher speech writer on all of these haters celebrating her death. here we go. my mantra? trust your instincts to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. wome especially thoswho are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in womenay occur. report these symptoms to your do

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that being said, i am with grover. i would kill him 12 times. it was heinous and we need to make an example out of people like this. showing them and making an example out of them. if we will have the conversation about gun control, let's hold hem up as examples. >> about the media and our potential collective culpability in glamorizing these people. it is a side product of covering these stories which are huge, huge national stories. get full coverage on every network and there is a danger that there other disturbed young people who want to be infamous and outdo the last one. >> look, there is a second amendment and it's important too. the press should be free to cover the stories and i think it's helpful if we do so if a way that doesn't glamorize the murderers. other people go hey, that looked interesting. there is very real challenges and folks you work with in the news media industry have got to make decisions there. the great news about dna report advances are that we can look back at the stakes of government and we ought to recognize, gov

connell: grover norquist, as always, thank you. >> good to be with you.onnell: jackson hewitt chief tax officer will be on with cheryl and dennis and the next hour of markets now. for japanese automakers are recalling nearly 3.5 million vehicles. the airbags are at risk of catching fire. they were all manufactured in or after the year 2000. no injuries or deaths have been reported as a result of that. let's take a look at toyota motor shares. actually, along with stocks in general. let's talk a little bit about this bitcoin. look at this drop. the underground currently with a hit yesterday. $120 is where it is trading. the major online exchange claims it is having such a massive following. the online exchange is having exploding volume. they said it led to some panic selling. bitcoin. another denial of service attacks. we talked about some of the risks here. tomorrow, the bitcoin business, we will be here in new york at a lounge and restaurant called ever. one of the first restaurant that except bitcoin. tablets and smart phones killing the demand for per

travis brown. >> thanks, grover. if you want to look at the path forward on national tax reform, start by looking at leaders right now within the state. in the first time in a long time we have got something intelligible from the internal revenue service that shows exactly how taxpayers like you this weekend, are moving between and among and across the states. so we're talking about with how money walks, the availability to track over the previous 15 years , exactly what tax policies at the state level have been popular, measured by real responses from those moving their homes and their pocketbooks to states, generally what we find across all 50 states is that taxpayers are fleeing a high tax states and flocking to the low tax states. why would that be the case? well, the price to work at the state level is variable compared to the price of work that we put and impose on our federal tax code as just mentioned, being fixed. that means it's no surprise that when you look at the nine states in america that have not had

but what made it a scandal was grover cleveland best friend was the name of oscar born in new jersey and spent most of his career to become a governor of new york they were partners and practiced law together and went out together drinking and eating together and it appears they join a the services of maria together. so when she gets pregnant she has a son and neither oscar nor cleveland knew who the father was an rea complicates things by naming the child oscar cleveland but oscar was married with the dollar. cleveland was a bachelor so he accepted responsibility to pay for the child to go to the orphanage. but here is the scandal. oscar dies a few years later in the carriage accident and is thrown from it and breaks his neck and leave so widow and the young girl grover cleveland makes an enormous amount of money as his partner and takes care of the widow and the young girl and pays for them to set them up in a nice home for his best friend and former law partner and becomes the godfather to the go-go francis they're very close she calls them of cleveland he calls her frankie and sa

no, it's not grover but the idea grover has embraced no taxes. the same thing with the nra.s, so many of us support second amendment rights. it is the idea, though, that the nra represents and when they are only representing 7% of the american people on a particular issue and you get all of this money coming from outside groups, you're going to lose. they are going to lose. i'm just surprised they weren't smart enough to get out of the way of its rein. >> three words you'll remember. cop killer bullets. remember they were against cop killer bullets and then finally said, man, this is like -- it's not -- >> right. >> this is -- they -- look. they going to have a hard time backing off of this because they have got a lot of skin in the game right now. lapierre and those guys have to be thinking what they are going to do because they can't afford to lose. >> i think chuck todd is right. they are more scared of larry pratt and gun owners of america. they were starting to tell joe manchin. they were working with joe. they were talking to joe all along. they were talking to pat too

thank you, grover.want to say that today we will bring in $2.7 trillion, which is more revenue than this government has ever brought in in its history. my guess is that it may be higher than that. this is under the old tax scheme. when you listen to all the government calculators, cbo, joint tax committee, all fine and good people, but when you look at their budgeting, they say tax revenue will continue to grow. i would argue and that that when we stand here a year from now, we will actually have less revenue than we brought in this year. why? a lot of people got worried about what the tax system was going to look like and they paid a lot of taxes early. i think we should all be concerned about this because it doesn't matter at this point how much revenue we raise or how many taxes we raise. i do not think without economic growth that we can ever get to the 3.5 really dollars of $3.5 trillion of revenue to get this budget into balance. should all be concerned about that as americans. as we look forward

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the commander in chief of the anti-tax party, grover norquist, leads every republican in the constantthe united states is just drowning in taxation, that we can't possibly be competitive in the world with such a harsh tax burden weighing down on this country. these are the very same people who you've just seen in the last two days worshipping at the feet of margaret thatcher. many of them say she was even stronger and tougher than their much mythologized ronald reagan. as i reported here last night in a segment that was misunderstood by some as praise for margaret thatcher, thatcher was a fiscal conservative by british standards, but there are two areas in which she stood far to the left of any american president and any american politician of her time or our time. she preserved a top income tax rate of 60% for 10 of her 11 years in office. that's 20 points higher than the top income tax rate under president clinton and now under president obama. that is a very liberal top income tax rate by american standards. she raised taxes on lower incomes and then she doubled the national sales

. >> michael: we talked a lot on this show about grover norquist and his group. book you talk about the intense competition brewing between norquist and a lesser known, weyrich lunch. what is the weyrich lunch, and how have we seen their influence so far? >> there are competing factions there are tensions within the party, and the move in the last four years by conservatives to embrace this type of libertarian, tea partiesque strategy, has ruffled a lot of fteers, because there has been this alliance between social conservatives and big business republicans, trading issues but maintaining a very neat coalition. that started falling apart in 2008. and as lib tarns move -- libertarians moved in to seize control of the movement and you see that from grover norquist and they have a once a week meeting where they get together to plot strategy and messaging. social conservatives their faction has really shrunk in the republican party and they started boosting efforts, and you see this competing lunch also on wednesday. some are kind of disastrous but trying to take bac

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good seeing you again, grover norquist. in the wake of the terror attacks on the u.s., ron paul is saying be careful about opening up the government spigots to spend on security. it's not as if we don't have enough money going to security. he says it's probably a better case of not going to the right place. ron rand paul, my special guest tonight. see you then. . [ male announcer ] extreme power. ultimate savings. get both now at your polaris dealer during the xp sales event. rebates up to $1,000 and financing as low as 2.99% on the world's best powersports li-up. incredible deals on hard-working rangers, smooth-riding sportsmen, and razor-sharp rzrs. hurry to your local polaris dealer for rebates up to $1,000 and financing as low as 2.99% during the polaris xp sales event.

with that, i will turn it over to grover norquist. you can find these handouts on our website. >> thank you, ryan. you can't change the world without handouts. i want to make sure everyone has that great information here in the room or online. this is the 100th tax day press conference. some of us weren't here at the first one, but in 1913 some idiot thought this would be a great idea. they went to a low of one up to seven. the lowest rate is 10%. to get into the 7% bracket when they first thought 7-this income tax you had to make in today's dollars, $11 million puts you at 7%. be y for a lot less you can pay -- be rich and pay a lot less. today is the 100th anniversary and it is a particularly interesting press conference because we have the perfect wave of taxes. we have this year we start $1 trillion -- i'm sorry, i forget to put the t's in. we have $1 trillion to pay for the affordable care act that starts this decade. another $600 billion from the fiscal cliff. the democrats in the senate have a budget with $1.5 trillion increase

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someone said the of the grover norquist may be the most powerful person in america. the new pledge he has held canada is to. he has held candidates -- the new pledge he has held the new candidates to is keeping millions -- it has a role to play in a country rich in the land grant colleges, highways, bridges. i understand the bridge out here is about to be built. i am all for infrastructure. >> obama in a way has to be the luckiest politician. if you look at the republican lineup -- [laughter] it is like michael dukakis in an oversized tank hat. >> the idea that newt gingrich is now at the top of the heap. >> you do not want to be the top because they get shot out. >> it is seems like anybody but romney. >> herman cain is a breath of fresh air. [laughter] >> i am not going to reassess him as he reassesses his campaign. >> herman cain is fabulous. >> newt gingrich -- i am going to get serious on you. newt gingrich is an error lobbyist -- uber lobbyist. barney frank talk about michele bachmann. he also called out newt gingrich and said he held him responsible for the de

grover norquist had this to say about the president's budget today. >> if the president actually wanted anything in his budget, he would have lined up the democrat votes in the senate first. it's just for show. he didn't actually write a budget he plans to work with. >> howard fineman, this is a very interesting point that grover nor quest just brought up. rachel raised this last night. is he serious about this budget? is this some kind of political pot-stirring and not really attempting to legislate? >> i think he's serious enough about it as a way to drive the republicans crazy. >> it's working! >> which is working. because the republicans like to talk about how they want to, you know, really approach this big behemoth of entitlement reform. but they don't really -- they can't decide whether they really want to do it or don't want to do it. don't forget, ronald reagan back in the day exempted social security and medicare. george w. bush expanded medicare. the republicans prospered in 2010, not just because of the tea party, but because they ran on the notion that barack obama wanted t

they've got to start contributing to deficit reduction. >> go ahead, grover.> well everything. the reason why we have very low government revenues is so many people are unemployed and income is growing so poorly for the people who do have jobs. what we did have when the republicans had the house and senate for the last six years, the 1990s, was strong economic growth. they cut the capital gains tax. that gave you the strong revenue coming in. and the republicans didn't let clinton spend as much money as he wanted. his budgets had $200 million deficits as far as the eye could see. >> i think mr. norquist is rewriting history somewhat. he is right in saying that revenue declines when you're in the midst of a terrible recession. >> yes. >> unemployment is high. no question about that. we are in the midst of this recession because we deregulated wall street and as a result of the recklessness and illegal behavior they plunged us into recession and we have to bail them out to the tune of some $700 billion. but he is wrong in suggesting that when you give huge tax b

in the greatest country in the world. >> reporter: dave camp is one of the congress men who signed groveror quist's pledge not to raise taxes. but the michigan republican is in a unique position. he chairs the house ways and means committee, the body responsible for writing and possibly reforming the tax code. >> i think many people have the sense that if only they could get the best lawyer or the best accountant, they'd be paying less than they're paying now. i think there is an appearance of unfairness. most of the higher-income people use most of the deductions so i think there's a sense there of, gee, the top end gets rewarded in ways that the average person doesn't. >> reporter: tax reform may help address questions of fairness. and whether we expect our rates to go up or down, most appear to agree with the words of oliver wendell holmes inscribed on the i.r.s. headquarters. taxes, he wrote, are what we pay for a civilized society. >> i don't want to seem misty-eyed and all happy about the income tax. i personally hate paying them as much as anybody. i certainly hate the process of p

grover norquist, a frequent guest on this program, famously said he wanted to shrink the government down the point where he could drown it in a bathtub. two days before the bombings in boston he spoke at a tea party rally on boston common. >> on the central issue that moves our vote, we want the government to leave us alone. >> obviously norquist and anyone else at the rally couldn't foresee the events of monday but shows what a different time we seem to be living in just two weeks ago as the debate over smaller government raged on and in the aftermath of the bombings, government didn't leave boston alone. thousands of law enforcement officers from every level of government descended on that city, the unprecedented manhunt shut down much of the metro area, residents were told to stay home, stay inside but the show of force worked. four days after the bombings, one suspect was dead, another was in custody. cnn contributor republican start gist anna in a var row is back with us and ben barber. polls show americans tend to favor a smaller federal government, can you have both? >> i think yo

we had one particular incident at 65 oak grover, a beautiful mural, and it was slightly obliterated. he went back and fixed it. and then they came back and completely obliterated it. and he told me he could not go back up there because the people that did that would hurt him and he knew who it was. so, instead of hiring another muralist to go up there because he gave us that information, we just had -- we buffed it over and had a blank coat of paint put over it. so, in our program we can utilize the artists to get the information we need to keep them safe and also we let the police -- law enforcement know this program is happening and when it's happening so that they're hypersensitive to it. >> i'm going to go back over here and we have a couple comments. i think we're going to stick with this topic a little bit because it looks like there's a lot of interest. i'll get back to you after this gentleman back here. and i'll hold the mic and you just speak into it, okay, sir. let me get on this side of it and go ahead. >> don't wait until somebody gets assaulted like i did. make sure you

grover in maywood, illinois, independent line and retired army. hi grover. caller: yes, good morning. my statement is that we cannot be the policemen of the world. host: can you turn down that volume on the tv, if you would. aller: let me turn it off. host: grover, we're going to have to get going here. caller: ok, i tried to turn the tv off. host: just talk in the phone. caller: i don't think that we should be the policemens of the world. we cannot fix everybody's problem, and everybody's not going to like us no matter what we do. we have lost more lives than any other nation on planet earth trying to help people that hate us for no reason. they can't know anything about us because they don't interact with us. so as long as we continue to do hat, they will continue to affect us to do stupid stuff. thank you for your time. host: thank you for calling in this morning. very quickly, just want to show you some headlines, we're going to be moving on and concentrating our next three segments on north korea, u.s. policy towards north korea, the threat of north kor

we had one particular incident at 65 oak grover, a beautiful mural, and it was slightly obliterated. he went back and fixed it. and then they came back and completely obliterated it. and he told me he could not go back up there because the people that did that would hurt him and he knew who it was. so, instead of hiring another muralist to go up there because he gave us that information, we just had -- we buffed it over

because it's not true no it's a mistake in the money case but as mr mansion mentioned he came to grover norquist meeting this morning to make his last minute pitch begging people to see the value of his initiative it's a terrible idea and precisely because it's a terrible idea the numbers were not there mark it's a terrible idea to simply make sure that before somebody buys a device that's principal purpose is to kill things or people that they are not that they have documented domestic violence they're not mentally ill and they don't have a prison record well that's not exactly what this would do the loophole has been overblown i think eighty ninety percent i think that's what polling that gives a very broad to question it doesn't ask about specifics just said are you for this you not for this this would lead to a national registry this is a good vote them out of no not in there at all no no it's not there and the president has it in a sense president said not only is it not in there but the people who say it's in there are lying and use the word lie slippery slope who won today i thin

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they said that you guys want to increase revenue and we were absolutely positively never because of grover norquist and other lobbyist increase revenue and obama said that we won't and he won't agree with you either we want that's not your president and only trying to present propose a trillion dollars in cuts to the cost of this and cuts in spending and not have republicans already and whatever we do with the second hold i'm going to have a hard time with you just you just got the big nugget here you said a trillion dollars in cuts of what was the sequester this year how much did that cause the president already put there's already been a trillion dollars i started a trillion in the budget this year but yet here we go we cry that the roof is falling it look this all these people are going to be fired but guess what obama found a way to save all the customs and border patrol agents obama from the way to save all the food people that were going to be cut their meat was can be contaminated obama found the way to keep the forty radiation from occurring since that was supposed to happen today

i want to thank our chamber and grover norquist. this is why we will succeed. it is because of this broad bass and dedicated legislation. -- base and dedicated. >> they are the wind beneath our wings. >> can you justify adding more people to the work force with millions of unemploymented. >> when unemployment is above a certain level it will come at a time when unemployment is low. in each case, every one of suss mindful of this, anyone who wants to bring in a new worker has to look for an american worker and advertise for an american worker. >> can you give us an idea on where you anticipate the biggest challenge in selling this to your colleagues? >> one word that underlines this proposal is balance. there are things for almost everyone to like in this bill and there are some things that each person will not like. when you put it all together for a vast majority of people across a spectrum there's much more to like than not like. that's how i think we'll get it done. what is going to make it successful more than anything else is the need to solve the problem

the cell phone video shows the oak grover middle school teacher with a long object which according to another teacher was a roll of foil wrapping paper. the teacher is accuses of hitting one student with it and threatening other students. the video was recorded by a student before spring break. >> when did the video come to your attention? >> monday, april 8th. >> you saw it online? >> a student brought it to my attention. >> your reaction? >> we want to do everything we can to make sure the students are safe at oak grove and we are protected and that is our priority. we are investigating the situation. >> a parent tells abc7 news that the teacher has struck other students in the past and some of the kids are afraid her. >> in san bruno they are looking for a developer for lots left everyonety after the 2010 pipeline explosion. council wants proposals for 12 lots which remain left empty after homeowners decided against rebuilding their homes there. the city says it prefers the developer come in and build out the lots at the same time so new homes can go in faster. there are 38 homes t

on the other side, we had newt gingrich's top policy reading a two-page endorsement from his boss, grover norquist in the flesh and the head of the largest prison guard union. when you have that sort of people who, at the end of the day, believe in their ideas and willing to fight for their ideas, you can get through almost any obstacle. you have to be willing to put pressure on the middle because the folks in the middle like the democratic party who say i don't want to be portrayed as soft on crime. so i know what's right but i'm going to wrestle with my conscience and by god i'm going to win. i won't do it at any cost. those are the folks we push out of the way. look, it is time to man up and woman up. time to just say darn it. this is the right thing. we're going to do it because it is about people's families. what we've seen in the last 20 years is the numbers skyrocket. when mom goes to prison, kids go to foster care. they don't get out until mom is home from prison and finds a job. finding a job when you have a felony record is very hard. >> john: it is smart patriotic, moral. how c

when you have grover norquist out there strongly testifying for a bill and citing ronald reagan sittinga hill, i think you've got a pretty strong effort going forward with this bill. guns came up -- >> let me just you about that, senator grassley was raising all sorts of issues with in a follow tanno yet. is there any concern that boston will be a setback, slowing it down? >> clear it's it's been raised by senator grassley and others, but i think it's interesting what's happened. we've seen boston come together, one terrorist killed, the other arrested. we've also seen a number of other voices. yesterday speaker boehner and congressman ryan came out and said this is not a reason to delay the immigration bill in going forward. this is actually a reason to speed it up and have it go forward. we all know the sim has been broken, there's security issues. look what happened with the terrorists. they had visas that overstayed, and this bill, allowing some of these high-skilled engineers and doctors to stay? our country, it also creates better security in terms of not just the border, but watc

grover norquist and all of the republican worshippers of margaret thatcher are outraged today that we are averaging 18%. those republicans insist that it is outrageous in this country for taxes to be 18% of our gdp, which is about half of what they were under margaret thatcher. half! barack obama is half the taxer that margaret thatcher was, half the socialist that margaret thatcher was. president obama hasn't dare propose a health care program as purely socialistic as margaret thatcher's health care system, the one she supported and bragged about. but republicans call barack obama a socialist as if it is an epithet, and call margaret thatcher a hero. ignorance is the first requirement for republicans add iragency of margaret thatcher. sarah palin and most republican presidential candidates would be horrified to discover that margaret thatcher actually believed in evolution. >> i began with charles darwin and his work on the theory of evolution of the origin of species. darwin's voyages were among the high points of scientific discovery. the beliefs of darwin's era should help to see