i knew there would, time when i agreed with grover and it came. that is all. >> do you feel better now? >> emma? in the back. >> i am with "the atlantic." you said your city is a sanctuary city and in that way it is in conflict with federal policies. are you hoping your city will move the dialogue on immigration? >> let me say this, what we do in the city of chicago i do because i think it is in our self interest. do i think that what happens at a city or a state does not have -- does have a ripple effect -- yes. we always had a sanctuary city, but it was done by executive order. i do not know what elections tomorrow are going to bring, and i would rather have changes repealed or not reauthorize. i think we have done things the right way for our city, and i would draw a bigger example out of the dream act that we passed -- meet these 100-plus kids that are going to college. it is impressive and tell me it is not in our interest. number two, on the drivers license, it allows parents to take their kids to school safely, allowing them to get to emplo

do you, grover and larry, this is a reality check for you guys. do you really think that president obama going out to give a tax -- i'm sorry, going out to give a speech on middle class families should start out by saying here's how we're going to help middle class families, we're going to cut the corporate tax rate. i just want to see if you guys are even in the same ballpark. >> yes, yes, yes. i'm going to answer yes and i think he should call off the dogs about the war on coal. you know what? the war on coal is a gigantic tax hike for middle class people because the cost of electric power is going up so much. i think each should say i am a growth president. i think he should say i'm sorry but we don't have the resources to bail out detroit and they're going to have to do for themselves. >> but cutting -- >> if he doesn't get specific, jared, my friend, let me just tell you, if he doesn't get specific, people are not going to take him seriously at a time when, as i said before, the jobs that are being created are mostly part-time jobs not full-t

grover?laters to come here, threatened over there, that's immigration, that's bad. somehow the democrats muted the unions to a certain extent, that there's still the problem on future flows and h1b's, and that sort of thing. they are the sticking point, why this bill doesn't work as well as it could, but the d's are working on that. on the republican side, it's the bottom-up thing. the southern baptist thing weighing on this, tens of thousands of churches, organizations, this is not unimportant to a republican candidate. roman catholic, latter-day saints, orthodox jews. it's important. add to that the business community, farming industry, the dairy industry that can't function without more immigration. these are all people speaking -- >> startup communities. >> high-tech communities. it's critical to speaking to republicans and explaning this to them. it's taken longer than i would have liked, took a long time to get the democrats to mute the labor unions a little bit, but we'll get there. >>

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and president grover norquist, president for american tax reform. i don't know whose idea the oath was, but it worked. and it continues to be a formidable issue in american politics today. and lo and behold i was with amy klobuchar recently. we interviewed her at the atlantic. she was telling us how grover was now getting hate mail from some his own base because of committee testimony he provided in joint economic committee that was positive s i thought today crossfire was coming back on cnn, it's predictible. you get two guys, men and women on different sides, and they bash each other without thinking. i thought today we would have a thinking forum. people you would normally think on opposite sides and frankly their similarities. n you share with us a little bit -- forget your white house role. you were a big cheese in this town but we are in chicago and you are thinking about healthy equation with immigrants as part of it. as a mayor, how are you trying to change the game? >> a couple things that i think will be very helpful facts. not too differe

i am sure that grover norquist cannot be too happy about this.tter touting tax reform, that is the kiss of death to tax reform and he is gung ho for trillion dollars in taxes. am i over reading this? >> i just put a time limit on your prediction which is correct. as long as harry reid is a leader of the senate, there will be no tax reform. you cannot reduce rates if what you are really trying to do is raise a trillion dollars. that is the one with 12 zeros after it. that is a lot of money. it makes tax reform impossible. as long as harry reid runs the senate. in 2014, we can change that. stuart: this is all politics, in my opinion. i believe that senator reed along with president obama, i think that they are betting if you get out there and say, tax the rich, it is a winning political line 42014. >> obviously, they are saying and hoping that. obama and the democrats have been telling the business community all about left-wing stuff we had to go through to get a leg did. we are really reasonable. we really want corporate tax reform. what this does

so grover, rome had high tax rates. >> not always. at first for about 400 years they had no real direct internal taxes because they looted their neighbors. >> we're not advocating that, right? >> we have talked to canadians. even that wasn't enough. so they started having dramatically higher taxes. the amount of money spent on armies. it cost more perhaps than they were able to extract. >> they started with tariffs. >> they had tariffs, augustus brought us the first death tax. cons tan teen, brought the income tax. all the stuff we're living with, they were thinking up. the property taxes. so rough that people were actually abandoning their property than to say leave me alone. then they had to pass laws to not let you leave your property. so you had to stay there and farm it so they could loot you. things got -- towards the end it got very, very rough. it's part of why things didn't work. >> one penalty for not paying your taxes being sold into slavery. >> or killed. people in modern day irs, that's what they do to us now. >> when the

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i did not know whether to sit here and have grover and rahm right next to each other.r white house chief of staff, three term member of congress, and now mayor of chicago. we do not do advocacy, but if you look at cities and their mayors and what kind of aims the chief executive -- kinds of things the chief executive of the city does -- what rahm emanuel has been doing, synthesizing the equation of what you're city will look like, it is an impressive arena. of course, we have grover norquist, president of the americans for tax, encouraged by ronald reagan. i do not know whose idea the old was, but it worked -- both was, but it worked. i was with amy klobuchar recently. we interviewed her and she was telling us how grover was now getting hate mail by some of his own base because of committee testimony he provided on the joint economic committee that was very positive. i thought today "crossfire" is coming back on cnn. you have people with differences that bash each other without thinking. i thought today we would have a conversation. >> i am out of here. [laughter] >> r

charles: as president gets ready to roll out his term economic plan, grover is worried it is not just a tax plan. >> every time the president horizon put forward an economic plan it has included significant tax increases, obamacare was trillion in higher taxes, many on middle income americans, which he campaigned promising he would not do, he endorsed something like simpson bowle bowles they want to take proposal on economy, on taxes from 19% of gdp up to 21 that is an increase of 3 to 5 trillion over a decade. that was their owning bid for higher taxes. and when the president talked about endorsing the gang of 16, the special committees effort he insisted on $1.4 trillions in higher taxes then. he has yet to put forward a proposal on anything that did not include significant higher taxes, we need to look at what the new proposal is, if it does not have tax increases that would signal maybe he is changing his direction, but i would not bet that way. charles: kind of hard to believe that would happen, he will spike at knox college, 2005 he gave a speech there so many things he hit on,

grover norquist, who is head of americans for tax reform persuaded politicians never raise taxes. and steve moore is with us from "the wall street journal." so rome had high tax rates? not always. efforts were about 400 years they had no real direct internal taxes. because they looted their neighbors. john: we are not advocating that. [ughter] >> even that wasn't enough. so hey had dramatically higher taxes. taxes started with tariffs. constantine had the first one. property taxes, people wee actually abanding their property. things got towardshe end, very rough and it's a part of why things did not work. >> one penaltyof being sold ad slavery. >> or killed. >> that is what they do and the modern-day irs. the only way they would get it was to sell into slavery to get currency. john: by 1% was e highest income tax. >> over is exactly ight. they kept collecting more and more money in the outlying areas and there wassa massive revolt. >> that is happening in america today. people are sick and tired of seeing their tax dollars in washington. that is one of the reasons that is the grea

grover norquist, who is head of americans for tax reform persuaded politicians never raise taes. and steve moore is with us from "the wall street journal." so rome had high tax rates? >> not always. efforts were about 400 years they had no real direct internal taxes. because they looted their neighbors. john: we are not advocating that. [laughter] >> even that wasn't enough. so they had dramatically higher taxes. taxes started with tariffs. constantine had the first one. property taxes, people were actually abandoning their property. things got towards the end, very rough and it's a part of why things did not work. >> one penalty of eing sold and slavery. >> or killed. >> that is what they do and the modern-day irs. the only way they would get it was to sell into slavery to get currency. john: by 1% was the highest income tax. >> over is exactly right. they kept collecting more and more money in the outlying areas and there wassa massive revolt. >> that is happening in ameri today. people are sick and tired of seeing their tax dollars in washington. that is one o the reasons that

move over grover koch brothers are the latest to get republicans nationwide to sign up lad what's that pledge all about and how could it signal the end of the world i'll explain in tonight's daily. talking about the same story doesn't make it news. no puff pieces to me tough question thank you. for. coming in. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charming welcome to the big picture. i would rather as questions for people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.g.p. question more. looking for every doc in the field that they won't find it here. you're looking for relevant stories unique perspective from tom my scans. and the rest of the rest of that is the fight to undo the disastrous citizens united supreme court decision and to remove the corrupting influence of money from politics has reached a new milestone

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since it was dedicated 127 years ago by president grover cleveland, the statue of liberty hasn't seen many days more significant than this. liberty island, closed ever since sandy swept in last october, welcomed its first tourist boats back today. dennis mulligan is a park ranger. >> well, for the last eight months, this big lady in the bay has been quite lonely. so, not only is she happy to see the huddled masses back, the staff is very excited to be getting back to their regular duties. >> reporter: in boston, the pre- fireworks celebration was tempered with a touch of anxiety: extra searches performed before the boston pops concert. no backpacks allowed after the terror attack on the marathon in april. in jeffersonville, indiana, kids gave us the best example of america's extraordinary patriotism, refusing to let drenching rains keep a flag from its intended parade destination. and, in carville, louisiana, members of the national guard who'd been serving in afghanistan saw their families for the first time in nearly ten months. in south africa today, nelson mandela's wife spoke pub

we had one particular incident at 65 oak grover, a beautiful mural, and it was slightly obliterated. he went back and fixed it. and then they came back and completely obliterated it. and he told me he could not go back up there because the people that did that would hurt him and he knew who it was. so, instead of hiring another muralist to go up there because he gave us that information, we just had -- we buffed it over and had a blank coat of paint put over it. so, in our program we can utilize the artists to get the information we need to keep them safe and also we let the police -- law enforcement know this program is happening and when it's happening so that they're hypersensitive to it. >> i'm going to go back over here and we have a couple comments. i think we're going to stick with this topic a little bit because it looks like there's a lot of interest. i'll get back to you after this gentleman back here. and i'll hold the mic and you just speak into it, okay, sir. let me get on this side of it and go ahead. >> don't wait until somebody gets assaulted like i did. make sure you

. >> and some pressure from the business republicans are for it, grover norquist is for it. aren't they going to get some pressure? >> that's the open question. because there's no question regardless of what side you're on this debate is so different at this point than it was during the last major immigration debate. because the chamber of commerce is supportive of it. some of these big republican perpacs, crossroads, and i'm not quite as pessimistic as sue. i don't know how they get there but the republican party can see its future and it's a potentially a short one if they don't do something. gwen: but i remember having this conversation after newtown that they had to do something about guns. that we had the moral authority of gash rell giffords. we had the -- of gabrielle giffords. we had the weeping parents campaigning. and as far as we know, that's not going anywhere. >> not at all. even the watered down version of what -- back -- as the year began they were talking about really sweeping things. even something as small as expanding background checks. that's not going an

meeting here in secret for the last one hundred and thirty four years inside the confines of the grover c o o's media moguls and high level politicians who spend two weeks every july giving talks networking planning policy and partying so with the media present year after year surely the public knows all about what's going on right now last year i went out around d.c. to find out just how much people really knew check it out so if you're going to have not not really no not at all i don't have a clue no no i'm afraid i don't the world's most powerful players get together and discuss policy party and also do mock sacrificial rituals together oh no that's basically first newest i hear i heard about it they sacrifice a coffin effigy to a giant forty foot i will it was kind of like a modern day stonehenge i don't think it's cool at all i don't think. they feel that truly does take place i think it's great that's scary that's really scary i did hear they were talking about like a new world order like two years something like that maybe that's what they're planning to death in the whole order

. >> it reflects a widespread bipartisan agreement, so for example people like grover norquist, former vice presidential candidate, former republican president george bush, all of them agree with the administration on the basic premise comprehensive common sense immigration reform will be good for economic growth. lou: president george bush reemerged in the public arena today after remaining largely out of public view since he left office. mr. bush try to offer a helping hand to his frustrated successor in the white house. >> we have a problem. the laws governing immigration system aren't working. the system is broken. we are now in an important debate reforming those laws. and that is good. i don't tend to get involved in the politics or the specifics of policy, but i do hope there is a positive resolution to the debate. lou: president obama's press secretary jay carney taking a different approach today essentially blaming his bosses support for the gang of eight bill and the house's reluctance to hold a vote. >> i know it annoys them that he is in office, let's just accept that. but

in grover cleveland's case in 1894, he was accused of having a wedlock child.ccused of saying ma ma where's my pa gone to the white house, ha-ha. albert mills was a congressman. chairman of the house, ways and means committee. he was racing on his way to the capitol. he had a stripper in his car who jumped into the fountain. >> another case marion beary was the mayor and ended up getting caught with crack cocaine in the courtroom. >> yes. and he obviously had a comeback a number of years later. >> one thing i find interesting is that ironically, they get a lot of name recognition from these scandals. they get a lot of attention and it helps them in some cases get re-elect re-elected. >> it can. the race for comptroller is not an office that gets a lot of attention. his name has helped him a lot. he's leading the case against scott stringer. there's you have a sex scandal, if you apologize for it you're contrite contrite, you have a chance. real corruption like stealing money, there's lots of examples of politicians accused of financial misdeeds they don't come

and grover cleveland negative chile gets lost to come up to the home and says to the little boy whose home is that? he says as frederick douglass actually he served under cleveland but but they knew they would get to heaven. [laughter] but here is where i get salacious and the scandalous. this is the frederick douglass first wife. people said before i knew he had an affair i read it on the internet. [laughter] there is the true story of what really happened in every is a pivotal and important without her there would be no frederick douglass sam born free in maryland's 1813, moved to baltimore and is part of a free black community and with douglas with the audacity look down upon but could make headway into the free black community with some of where it is believed douglas met him in the year trying to uncover the details but in the us sold some positions to rectify any as frederick douglass escaped. she was able to procure, not only the historian but he could make his escape because he was with the camouflage canso he was able to make the escape up north and it calls for and of and th

for example, people like grover norquist, douglas holtz-eakin, former vice-presidential candidate paulpublican president george bush, all of them agree with the administration on the basic premise that comprehensive, common sense immigration reform will be good for economic growth, good for productivity, good for the economy. adam: how does it actually help? because the cbo actually said it would depress wages for a period of time? all these new people coming into the labor force? >> actually the cbo reports show that over 20 years it would increase wages by half percent. and, i think that, there's nothing in the cbo report to suggest that it would hurt the wages of existing american workers who are working today and i think if you talk to many of our top ceos in our country they will tell you that having greater access to high-skilled immigration rather than displacing american workers makes the united states a more attractive place to locate their headquarters, locate their production and that by locating more services and production to the united states that is actually a net increa

but i sort of think it would be a nice little challenge a little earlier i don't know i'll give you grover been so strong of course ok c.n.n. comes and says we'll give you eight o'clock you all time slot will larry king come after me so then just advantage of the of the draw in an eight hundred forty five were you given that would you go. you know first of all i'd say i am committed to roger and i've got a long term deal and i never break my word never break my word you know and so you know if we were able to use a strong if i had an if i had an opening right now in my contract you know i would i would you know certain i'd go to roger and talk to him about it would be right back with a great quote very good of an source for this. technology innovation and the developments around. the future covered. let me let me i want we're going to let me ask you a question. on this board as we're having a debate we have. this is about to get married and we're talking about. the battleground of the end system ten pm eastern time on marks he would cover his zimmerman case all my life i have never prejudg

grover cleveland was a bachelor when he took office.r he married the 21-year-old daughter of a family friend. after cleveland lost in 1888 to benjamin harrison they had a daughter ruth and then he won back the office in 1892 and then they had a second child. ironically she wasn't the most famous daughter of cleveland. it was the daughter that was named after ruth cleveland, the baby ruth. to come full circumstance circumstance -- circle esther went on to marry at westminster abby. perhaps the prince will one day have a confection named for him. or maybe a favorite athlete. while the world was fixated on the birth of the royal baby yesterday, a whole lot more kids were born. including one from an american political dynasty. mitt romney had yet another grabbed child yesterday who was also a boy. mitt romney tweeted this today . . . if you don't count the horse, 23 with the horse. he has so many grandkids he is now referring to them by number. the parents of grand kid number 22 are romney's son josh and his wife jen. as for another former

workplace might actually be bad for the economy overall drew a bipartisan reduke from rahm emanuel and grover norquist best known for the no new taxes pledge. >> immigration is what makes us the future, not europe, not japan, not china. and we do it better, smarter and get back on track to where we've historically been. >> in the city of chicago, about 50% of all new business applications are by immigrants. and that's why i've always said you cannot be pro small business and be anti-immigrant. >> the clock is ticking and the odds are getting longer that the house will have a real difficult time passing immigration bill. first they have to work out the differences if they get it passed in the house, they have to work out the differences with the senate and then get something to the flad can actually be signed. the crunch is because get an agreement will be even tougher next wreer when lawmakers will be facing re-election. it's kind of a now or never situation and time running out. >> okay, thank you. >>> still ahead, putting voter i.d. on trial. first, trying to stop the fiscal momentum of foo

the term ambassador was not officially used until 1893, under the second grover cleveland's administration. he was the second ambassador to england. then the spanish american war broke out in 1898. mckinley had a hapless secretary of state, john sherman, who was not up to the task, and was shunted aside and hay was brought back. brother? >> yes, also from ohio. hay was brought back in the fall of '89 the aid after the war was over to take over the portfolio of state, which was a much larger portfolio. instead of being the continental united states and alaska, we now had cuba, puerto rico, guam. and the philippines with a civil war raging in the philippines. >> how many years did he spend at the new york tribune? >> about three, four. >> did he spend seven years as secretary of state? >> help me here. he started in october 1898, died in office, and june 1905. >> go back to the children. one of his children was named adelbert. what is the story of his life? robertalk about how lincoln was not very close to his father. hay's eldest son was a great kid, but for some reason, he could not do any

grover norquist has quoted as saying ouch. this is the president saying my plan sucks.t like it. and gubernatorial candidate and state attorney general ken uch nellie said if you talk to any health professional, they can tell you the early warning signs of systemic failure. the announcement officials are delaying implementation of the president's unprecedented government intrusion into our health care system is further proof that the law rushed through the legislative process is fundamentally flawed. obviously republicans are glad to hear there's a delay. this gets back to the waiver talk. but other people are saying this is a big, big swift moving piece of legislation. it needs to take time to be implemented. >> it leaves you wondering why they didn't think of this in the first place, why they didn't have any sense these mandates would cripple the recovery they're relying upon to you bring jobs back. >> ez za you write aggressively about the provision. you don't think this provision should ever be implemented, right? >> right. back in '09 i called this the worse idea i

the term ambassador was not used 1893 under the l second cleveland -- grover cleveland administration. ambassador e second to england. war broke -american 1898. the spring of mckinley had a hapless secretary was ate, john sherman, who not up to the task and was trying to decide and hay was back. >> general sherman's brother? >> yes. from ohio. hay was brought back in the fall after the war was over to take over the portfolio of which is a much larger portfolio. of just being the continental united states and cuba, puerto w had philippines d the with a civil war raging in the philippines. >> how many years had he spent bun?e new york tra >> i think it was about three? four? later. in >> did i count right? seven years as secretary of state. help me -- >> started in october -- october in 98 and left and died office in june. in 1905, 6 1/2 years, something like that? go back to the children. his children was named delbert. they called dell. story of his life? >> we talked about how robert incoln was not that close to his father. hays' oldest son was a great kid do anything right in his fa

and you have grover norquist doing this, as well.this piece, they're looking for ways to come up with spin to cover major problems. and one memo that we published today, they say we have to convey things on the fourth grade level. that is what they think of voters. they have to come up with silly terms like frederick douglass republicans? and you have reince priebus, who can't say the word "tolerance." and they still think he is far too moderate. all of these words reflect him and karl rove even, to say it has to be less strident to appeal to more people. they still have this civil war idea, with issues, and race issues, there are a lot of haters within their own ranks. >> it is amazing to me, rand paul said today, or yesterday, i don't think there is anyone in congress who has a stronger belief in minority rights than i do. from almost anybody in the republican party that would be a questionable statement. from him it is downright insulting. >> it is insulting because the problem is that you have had two successive presidential camp

altercations like this rarely result in the filing of new criminal charges, it will be up to deputy groverine what happened and how to prevent further problems. >> so what was happening up in your mod? >> what do you mean? >> we came up and talked to you, something had happened, something was going on. what had happened? >> the only thing i can think of is my bungee had a couple of black eyes. >> tell me about that. >> i can't really talk about it. >> we kind of talked about it a little bit before this and we had a little bit of an idea. do you want to elaborate on that at all? not at all? okay. fair enough. at some point you're probably going to be served with another jail violation. going to be for fighting in jail. >> oh, wow. >> obviously you and your cellie had an altercation at some point. nobody is deemed the aggressor yet or the victim yet. two men are locked in a cell and somebody has injuries. there obviously has been a fight. so it is not the end of the -- not the end of the world for you. >> i understand. >> you should get your notice of violation. sergeant will call you out, c